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Old 10-14-2004, 12:44 PM
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If indeed these men hurt people, made plans for others to hurt people, or declared war upon innocent civilians, they deserve to be punished.

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it's not about punishment is it? it's about the form of punishment ... the inhumanity...
Totally agree
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those who cannot act like humans don't deserve to be treated like humans

Then there is no differnce between them and us or in fact animals...
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So torture is ok as long as its done by allmighty usa & its lapdog allies?

for as long as u accept that kind of behaviour towards anyone, u should as well accept same deed done to ur allies/countrymen. and yourself. and accept it as "normal" behaviour during crisis. Normal for both sides to use.

cheering usa & co. in a matter like this is so fukking hypocrite. next minute u'll be whining about some headless hostage.
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nope. these guys are crazy enough to fly planes into buildings. if they know we're going to be brutal with them then it'll make more guys thinking about getting into it think twice.
that is barbaric and I'd like to think we are above that.
So you'd prefer we gave them a slap on the wrists and made them promise not to do it again?
no way. but as long as you're using torture as a method of interrogation, u should accept decapitated hostages as well.
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Exactly Russ.

These people do not reason like normal people and what exactly is the advantage of keeping the moral high ground here?

If they've got the detterent of the fact that they'll get there arse seriously kicked if and when they get caught then alot less people will sign up.

Think about governments like China's for example. Very few people will take part in any political groups etc... because they know if caught they'll get it big time.

I can see dettering terrorism as a bit more just than dettering free political thought.
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With torture and shite, mighty allied forces aren't reasoning like normal people either. Face it, u guys as just as bad as the ones u fight.

Severe punishment will help? I don't think so, it's going to be quite the opposite. In case u haven't noticed, there seems to be an endless line of candidates available among them religious/whatever fanatics. And the more u torture the ones caught, the more candidates there will be. Only way u could win it by force is to bomb whole middle-east to stoneage. But oh no u can't, there's a little bit of that oil u so desperately want
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With torture and shite, mighty allied forces aren't reasoning like normal people either. Face it, u guys as just as bad as the ones u fight.

Severe punishment will help? I don't think so, it's going to be quite the opposite. In case u haven't noticed, there seems to be an endless line of candidates available among them religious/whatever fanatics. And the more u torture the ones caught, the more candidates there will be. Only way u could win it by force is to bomb whole middle-east to stoneage. But oh no u can't, there's a little bit of that oil u so desperately want
again, what's the point of taking the moral high ground? if they're going to be dirty bastards about it then so can we. We're not exactly at the point of dragging civvie's out of their homes and beheading them on TV.
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This never work and only increase terrorism. I never think by this method u can solve anything but distuction of mankind.
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With torture and shite, mighty allied forces aren't reasoning like normal people either. Face it, u guys as just as bad as the ones u fight.

Severe punishment will help? I don't think so, it's going to be quite the opposite. In case u haven't noticed, there seems to be an endless line of candidates available among them religious/whatever fanatics. And the more u torture the ones caught, the more candidates there will be. Only way u could win it by force is to bomb whole middle-east to stoneage. But oh no u can't, there's a little bit of that oil u so desperately want
again, what's the point of taking the moral high ground? if they're going to be dirty bastards about it then so can we. We're not exactly at the point of dragging civvie's out of their homes and beheading them on TV.
The point of high moral ground, or more like lack of it, is that once u take yourself to their level, you have no ground accusing them of similar cruelty. This comes down to sending out a message saying that any kind of cruelty is accepted. Ever thought where it leads? Fanatics will be more and more fierce with their cause. One thing I do agree with is that u can't reason with the fanatics. But that still doesn't justify slaughtering them without a trial. A bullet in the head while attempting to capture them would go fine....but unnecessary cruelty is a whole different matter.

Even in warfare there's laws u know. Like said, if ur opponent uses whatever means it doesn't justify civiliced world to use the same means. When u do alike, u are alike. No better, No worse. Just similar.
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