Selfish P rick

But imagine the feelings of his family and friends. Not only do they have to suffer through the feelings of sadness, guilt, hatred, anger, pain that you experience when someone close to you commits a suicide, but you also have to live with the fact that he took seven people with him (more than most serial killers, by the way). I think these feelings must be so difficult to cope, it's always difficult after a suicide with all the mixed emotions, but with it this time also comes the blame for the lives he took with him, and the hatred and guilt. Plus they have to face the emotions of a whole nation who blame him and call him a p rick etc... That must be such an awful feeling, I wonder how they're gonna cope.

Suicide is always the coward way out, and this time it's made even worse. Like someone said, why didn't he just drive off a cliff or hang himself. Or better yet, not do it at all.


(Then again, I must say that my initial thought when I heard that he might've committed a suicide is that I don't think he intended to take others down with you. I think most people think that when a car is driven over by the train, the train just keeps on going without any or minor damages. I don't think he intentionally killed or hurt anyone, I think it's just that he really didn't think that it would cause such a big accident. Like people who jump in front of a truck on a motorway, they think that it's over and no-one else will get hurt when in fact usually it leads to an accident and collision, and injuries or deaths of others.)

Yes.. been close enough to someone who tried. Have you?

Yes, and they carried it out.

So therefore you win??

You have a different opinion Goose, fine. Don't impose yours on me.

Do you feel the same way about assisted suicide?



As far as the selfishness is concerned. I almost find that comical. Suicide is selfish because the individual did not consider the pain of their family and friends? hahahaha. What about the family's pain? Their little selfish pain? Pain about not seeing their family member again? What about the years prior to it? What was done to get the individual help? Most of the time NOTHING. Most of the time, they 'didn't even know' --- RIGHT! How silly. And if they admit to having known - they simply watched! And that individual that was left to struggle by themselves should consider those peoples feelings? LOL.

Er, pardon me????

You are the one that stated "Suciciders" never go to heaven gimp, that sounds dangerously like a statement. Not an opinion.

I don't think you quite got my point there, obviously in the majority cases the individual is not thinking clearly maybe due to severe depression, immense stress etc. and I also agree that it is selfish to endanger others should you chose to take you life, but I don’t think you are in a position to adjudge what the repercussions of that would be for an individual (And I think we can leave the old “is there a God” debate to a different thread!)

Also I doubt there is any need to be so flippant over goose's loss, you asked him if he had experience about it and he told you. Evidently we’ve all lost or nearly lost people we cared about in very sad circumstances… maybe the people that believe in a God would not really appreciate being told their loved ones would be in “Limbo”… and this is a real problem I have with many supposed committed Christians, from people who are supposed to be forgiving and understanding and who’s own bible tells them that only God can judge I seem to hear a lot of them telling others they are going to hell for a whole host of things… from being of a different faith to being gay to having an abortion… is it any wonder that less and less people actually want to go to church anymore?

when it comes to suicide there is no clean cut area. youre talking to someone here who has seriously contemplated it more than once, and each time it was the 'only' way out. admittedly, you arent thinking clearly when it comes to something like that... but there is a difference between just taking yourself out and willingly taking others with you. That i dont understand. I can understand people who want to leave the world in such a way but not their motives when it comes to other people. but surely we should be focussing not upon the person who alledgedly (nothing is that clear yet) cause the deaths, but rather on why it was allowed to happen, how the families of both the accused and the dead are reacting and taking it, and rather than pronouncing a sentence or judgement supporting the finding of the FACTS. Not what some less than reputable tabloids wish to sensationalise.

Don't you dare insult me! That you call others gimps I think is ridiculous, but don't be so childish. If this is how you think that you can shoot someone down, you are sorely mistaken.

Listen. Maybe you all think that I'm being unfair to people who commit suicide, but I BELIEVE that it is not an option, that it is a selfish act. I'm sure that each have their reasons, but there are always other options.

No offence was meant like I have already stated. And Rashbaum, flippancy is not my style!

Then you should have thought it more over before posting such a harsh statement. I honestly can't see why it's a cowardly and selfish thing to do. As posted by others, suicide can be the only way out for some people. Ofcourse you can't think clearly when you commit suicide, but when you get depressed and I mean really depressed, you can think strange stuff. A man I knew committed suicide and he wasn't selfish at all, since you seem to think: he thought he was doing his family a favor and that they could pick up their lives again once he was gone, because they didn't have to worry about him anymore. Great for their family, that he's not only gone, but he's also not allowed in heaven as you stated.