Should Learco Chindamo stay in the UK?

Because he's a UK citizen.

He has lived as a UK citizen, comitted a crime as a UK citizen, was tried and found guilty by the UK judicial system, served his sentance in the UK and when released will still be a UK citizen.

The day we allowed him citizenship he became our responsibility.

If someone comes into this country as a child like that, they are raised here, they are a product of our society and have as much right to be here as anyone else. If someone went from this country to somewhere else as a child, and commited a crime, would you want them to be brought back here?

The problem is that our society is getting worse, so we have more people commiting crimes, and not the space in jails to keep them, so they get out after <15 years on even the most serious of offences.

1) Because the decision to come to the UK was not his and was made when he was a child.

2) Because the parole board would have judged that he would form no further risk.

3) Who knows. He may even help kids avoid this kind of violence in the future. It's not as if there will be many career options open to him other than youth work.

Interesting points. True he was bought he as a child but he still should have been brought up to respect our rules . If a person commits a crime abroad then yes they should be sent back home and by rights should be sent to prison .Unfortunately there arnt enough spaces to place them all . Like you said Neil 15 years is no where near enough .Life should mean life . I do think though that he committed the worse crime possible and should lose his rights to live here if he cannot abide by our rules . I'm sure if he had done this in America he would be deported ? No one seems to take into account of the wifes rights .She did nothing wrong but has to live with this , is that fair?

Deport him where though? He has lived most of his life here, how is it fair to just send him back anywhere else? He did what he did because he grew up in this country and is a product of our crap society, no-one elses.

Yes and no. he lived in Italy for his first 6 years which are his most impressionable years

I don't agree with that. I'd say from maybe 9 -17 are the years that really shape you, though we are always changing.

You are increasingly clutching at straws here. How much can you honestly remember about your first six years of life? My memories would certainly fit on a post-it note. Granted, the love and support of a family are hugely important, but they will have been present in whichever country....

If he had been an adult when he came to the country I would be the first to agree with you but....

Lets assume for a moment that when he comes out of prison he will have a)served a sentence appropriate to his crime (we could argue for ever and a day about what this would be) b) pose no danger to the public and c) wish to work to prevent this type of crime in the future.

Why should we punish the guy any more because of a decision to come to England, made by his parents, at an age when was yet to master joined-up writing?

Unless you view the justice system purely as a means of punishment (rather than to prevent crime and protect the public) it would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to send him back to Italy.

You seem to be after revenge and nothing more. Which is odd, given that it wasn't your husband that was killed.

As for the widow - nothing but nothing will ever bring her husband back. Her life will not in any meaningful sense be made worse by the guy staying here.

What if he is a sociopath or a psychopath? It doesn't matter how someone of that sort is brought up, if they really have no moral nature, if they care of no ones happiness or suffering other then their own or take pleasure in witnessing the suffering of others then it doesn't make a difference how he was brought up or where, this sort of thing is inevitable. These people exists everywhere and it is the responsibility of the decent, civilised people of each country to deal with these people appropriately. The fact is regardless of what motivated him to do what he did he is a UK citizen and therefore is no different from somebody who was born in the UK. Of course he shouldn't be deported.

But what about UK citizens who were born in the UK who commit murder. Should they too be thrown out of the country and to where do you send them. As soon as a person becomes a legal citizen of a country they become no different to a person who was born there. Each one is a citizen of the country and must be treated equally.

I know it's kind off the subject slightly but I would argue the opposite is true. As far as I'm concerned vastly too much emphasis is put on punishment rather then rehabilitation.

Take America as an example of a country that has by just about anyones standards a harsh punishment stance against criminals. Are their crime rates low? No, not at all. Are their recidivism rates low as a result of long and harsh punishments? No, not at all.

By contrast when you examine countries around the world who focus on rehabilitation rather then punsihment, not that there's many mind you but certain places in Scandinavia are very good at it, their crime rates are far lower then other major industrialised nations and their recidivism rates are far lower too.

Even within our own systems the least likely group of offenders to reoffend are sex offenders-paedophiles, rapists etc. The reason these people are far less likely to reoffend is that they recieve major rehabilitation counselling.

A murderer or criminal or whatever is thrown into an enviornment surrounded by like minded people and left there to "stew". Is it any wonder they come out and reoffend? Do we need a better example then the death penalty to prove that harsh punishments simply do not deter people from commiting crimes.

And just to make matters worse putting people away for long periods of time only lessens the chance that a person will come out self-rehabilitated because there is no motivation for he or she to do so. And it also makes the job of prison guards and rehabilitators (if they exists) much harder and downright impossible because how do you get a person to behave lawfully in prison when he or she is going to spend the rest of their life caged up?