Should the deeply religious be allowed to be world leaders?

Mike · #11 12-17-2003, 10:15 PM

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To discriminate solely against religious people would not only be unfair, but would ultimately be pointless in your attempt to eradicate predetermined ideas from the minds of leaders.

Which is very much the case with the West Vs the Middle East / Terrorism.

Problem isn't that Bush is religious, its that his religion deeply influences his politics. Some of the more extreme groups in the US (& don't forget that Bush has procliamed himself a fundamentalist, altho not as gone as the ppl I am about to describe) think Bush has been appointed by god (he didn't win the election) & some believe that the destruction of the middle East will herald the second coming.

Well they're obviously a couple of electrical appliances short of a comet store! But the fact that Bush's religious ideas affect his decisions shouldn't be a reason to ban religious people from taking up positions of power. Bush should be able to make decisions without his prejudices or beliefs being involved in the decision making process. It's the fact that he's a bad president that allows his religious beliefs to be such a big part of his decisions, not the fact that he holds those beliefs in the first place. Does that make sense?

So - explain how someone deeply religious is able to rule without letting it influence their decisions??

Mike · #12 12-17-2003, 10:22 PM

On preparing for war:
--"We also can be confident in the ways of providence, even when they are far from our understanding. Events aren't moved by blind and chance. Behind all of life and all of history there is a dedication and purpose set by the hand of a just and faithful God, and that hope will never be shaken. In this hour of our country's history, we stand in the need of prayer."
-- at National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, February 6.

Jovi2003 · #13 12-18-2003, 03:08 AM

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"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." - George Bush

Bush appointed General William Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

What are the sources of this information?

Mousebounce · #14 12-18-2003, 03:12 AM

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"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." - George Bush

Bush appointed General William Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

What are the sources of this information?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. Seems like a very odd statement.

Jovi2003 · #15 12-18-2003, 03:15 AM

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"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." - George Bush

Bush appointed General William Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

What are the sources of this information?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. Seems like a very odd statement.

If taken in context, it's very disturbing. GW may be alot of things, but I never thought of him to be insane.

krb102 · #16 12-18-2003, 03:34 AM

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"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." - George Bush

Bush appointed General William Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

What are the sources of this information?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. Seems like a very odd statement.

If taken in context, it's very disturbing. GW may be alot of things, but I never thought of him to be insane.

The first quote by GWB may or may not be true. There are lots of references to it if you do a search in Google. It was reported in the Israeli newspaper "Haaretz". It is taken from a meeting between US President George Bush, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and the Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other groups.

The second paragraph is common knowledge, and was big news when it happened (maybe not in America?).

axlash · #17 12-18-2003, 07:46 AM

if bush said that.....that doesn"t have to do anything with religiousness...he is using religion for his political benefits...the question doesn"t fit with bush...he is not religious...no religion in the world teaches to kill innocent..

2ndly...religious leaders are not available today...socrates once said that "people who are religious ,should never make career in politics"..on the other hand we can see ther great examples like gandhi & nelson mandela...so for me yes,religious persons should rule the world...

krb102 · #18 12-18-2003, 08:28 AM

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if bush said that.....that doesn"t have to do anything with religiousness...he is using religion for his political benefits...the question doesn"t fit with bush...he is not religious...no religion in the world teaches to kill innocent..

2ndly...religious leaders are not available today...socrates once said that "people who are religious ,should never make career in politics"..on the other hand we can see ther great examples like gandhi & nelson mandela...so for me yes,religious persons should rule the world...

Nelson Mandela ..... a great person and great leader?

<<< this is the emoticon for laughing even though it looks a bit crap.

axlash · #19 12-18-2003, 09:10 AM

people in africa worship him like a god!& do u have an excuse about gandhi?

krb102 · #20 12-18-2003, 09:26 AM

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people in africa worship him like a god!& do u have an excuse about gandhi?

Have you been to Africa? I didn't mention Ghandi being a pile of crap; I mentioned Nelson Mandela.

Should the deeply religious be allowed to be world leaders?

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