Someone PLEASE debunk this

Like I said, Rashbaum, we're all pretty certain that the psyc testing/drugging part is tinfoil-hat stuff. What I'm a little concerned about is the fact that the descriptions of the Patriot Act 2 actually match prior descriptions that have been found elsewhere. Elsewhere NOT being conspiracy websites.

Adrian

Pon i was makign the point that this site has no other intentions than furthering it's own agenda ie makign everythign sound as bad as possible/ making up worst case scenario's.

and in relation to what Becky said, it's so obviously totally gufdf that not alot of people feel the need to point out that it's bullshit as opposed to people who believe it getting all riled up and talkign about it.

You seem awful worried about it all. No-one’s going to come along in a black van and take away anyone you know! (not mocking here btw)
I very much doubt that if your government seriously want to make people disappear or hold them indefinitely that any legislation or laws are going to stop them. There is pretty hard evidence that you still test chemical and biological weapons over there despite agreements of your military not to utilise the items in question and I’m dammed sure this isn’t an isolated example. In short, these ratifications would may make it easier for the government to do what they want but that really has no bearing on the fact that they probably will do whatever the hell they want anyway, irrespective of the standing legislation.

With that in mind why dontcha take a seat an have a beer… If the Nazi’s do show up you probably couldn’t have stopped them on your own anyway… or you could start a huge rebellion a la Tenacious D’s “City Hall” … and lightin’ f**king firesssssssss!!! And lightin’ f**king firesssssss!


Ahem, sorry.

I'd like to do a little more to change my country than sit back and have a beer, especially if that change involves something as serious as this. Basically what you're saying is, they're gonna do it anyway, so why worry about it?

Adrian

Pon? I've got to change my screen name...

I know perfectly some sites act like you say, and I have no doubt this is one of them. However the fact that many people doubt of wether it's true or not or what part of it is true or not shows that the current administration, and even their whole political representation, is capable of the worst.
I'm not on about the direct and too obvious reference to the nazi regime, though financial links between the Bushes and the nazis are proven, and though communication tactics are similar, I'm on about the more "subtle" parts of it. The ones that are part of a carefully planed step by step strategy to reduce freedoms and rights, all in the name of security.

Do one thing for me Jim, go read the Patriot Act 1 and then tell me why there is a need for a Patriot Act 2.

Indeed, though people here are usually quick to point out when anything is bullshit, and it didn't really happen here.
Again a lot of it (the facts stated, not the interpretation), if not most of it, is true. Unfortunately the bullshit scraps all the seriousness people should address the matter with.

Ponrauil

It really was "Just a thought", Becky.

Maybe a lot of people see it as 100% Bullshit, but I doubt it, as some of it isn't. And that part of it that is true is worrying enough don't you think?

Ponrauil

eh I shot it down int he 2nd post as far as people not jumping on it goes.

I'll have a look over the partiot act tomorrow if i remember.

but from what ive went over from that link, it doesnt seem a whole lot of bad to me to be honest.

I have very little sympathy for terrorists or people linked to terrorists getting their arses kicked big style and I don't buy into the idea that everyone is a target no matter who you are.

No, that’s not what I said at all, I said you could also think about starting a rebellion and trash things, It’s very cathartic I’m sure, even if you only manage to overthrow your local scout leader. Don’t you ever occasionally get swamped by a sense of anomie? All your intentions are good and you believe so strongly in the importance of the vote but at the end of it, even if you did rally a huge political protest movement and had every agreement under the sun signed by whatever government was in power they are still going to do whatever they deem necessary, they just might have to be a little more surreptitious about it.

Political views are so subjective that I’ll bet those who actually are smart enough to understand some basic politics always feel like they are the best tenor (or soprano ladies and effeminate men) in an endless chorus of the tone deaf. However frustrated I get at the indoctrinated way people from certain backgrounds will vote irrespective of party policies in my country I really feel sorry for you, Adrian, in a nation where the church, your television news and sodding sports entertainment all have a hand in trying to influence the “more susceptible” voter.

I’m not saying “have a beer, be apathetic, and wait for the Nazis” I’m saying “Have a beer, the Nazis aren’t going to show up” . Sure, we all love a good disaster movie but a clampdown on terrorism is not going to result in the thought police invading your world. Maybe some day you’ll be really disappointed when you twig that politics is a bit more mundane than you thought, not every country is struggling to contain a rouge fascist element and that, horror of horror, the government elect isn’t always trying to pull a fast one.

You should channel this nervous energy, why don’t you stand for a local government post? Could you do that at your age in the US?

^ amen to that.

Until they come and jail me for something I didn't do without a trial then I've not got a huge problem with the state of affairs. Even if there is legislation that means they can do it, doesn't mean they will.

Why the sudden urge to create such a legislation, then to reinforce it, if not to use it?

Ponrauil