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Old 02-02-2003, 12:37 PM
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No one says that there should be MORE mourning over the shuttle victims. Basic compassion for the families over who they lost is in order. I know krb is lacking in any compassion, and so, apparently, are you.
Do not make assumptions on the thing you can not know about. It's not about compassion, it's about the power of the media. You've all made the point very clear, it was a bigger thing that 7 died in a space shuttle than 40 that died in a train crash. Why does the world have mourn every time someone dies in the US? Why didn't anybody start a topic on the 40 that died? Because nobody cared enough. I didn't, and I won't , but I wouldn't start a topic even if someone from my family died.


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How, exactly, is it hypocritical to report on something that happened in your own country? You are proof that there are still narrow minded jackasses out there that think news coverage on a tragedy IN OUR OWN COUNTRY is somehow ignoring news in the rest of the world. I wonder if you would be saying that there are worse things if it was one of *your* family members, or maybe even yourself.
Reporting isn't. But the fact that a space shuttle crash is bigger news than the train crash shows just how ****ed-up the news media is. It's dominated by American news channels and everything they say is the truth. And if you think Americans aren't ignoring the rest of the world, think again. If it was myself, I wouldn't be writing too much... If it was someone from my family, I still wouldn't write. It's about perspective, which you seem to lack. People are people, it shouldn't matter who dies or where, it's always sad. But seeing people mourn over seven when thousand are being killed elsewhere is hypocrite. You didn't know the astronauts any more than the ones killed in a train crash. Why don't you complain about the fact that they are not mentioned?


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God, shut up. Do you just open your mouth and hope for the best?
No, it's true. If a person dies in the US, preferably in an explosion or something similar, it's all over the news. If 2000 people die in a flood in some third world country, it's in the news once and after that it's forgotten. If you can honestly say, this isn't the case, then you need to seriously re-think your attitude.

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What opinions are you referring to? I don't remember seeing you comment on anything I've said. And I'm not seeking popularity, I'll do as I see fit.

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krb is probably celebrating about now, he thinks Americans should die. Do you, too? He believes in karma, he says. Well, here's another thing for you 2...be careful what you wish for. It may just happen to you.
I don't think anyone should die. I think it's sad that you can say that someone dying is a bigger thing than someone else dying.

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You all are upset that nobody posts about news around the world, yet I have never seen one from any of you. Start speaking up if you want people to know.
Why should I start a thread? It's no use. It won't help anyone, and it's impossible to start a thread everytime someone dies. That was just my point. Why start a thread now, if you don't start it every time something bad happens? And in case you haven't noticed, I AM speaking up...

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it's different if you are talking about indifference, i'm agree, it's not the same.
if something is on medias because its important or wathever, it's like that, that's all ;
But saying "if you don't die in the usa, youre not worth enough to get on the news", well i hope youre not really think what you say
That's the point. The media decides what's important. And it shouldn't be like that. But most of the people just blindly believe and follow everything CNN or similar medias tell them to believe. People should have their own will and reason to see what's really going on. And can you say that if that shuttle would've blown in Nigeria, it would've been as big as it is now? Would someone have started a thread? I think not.


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Old 02-02-2003, 02:53 PM
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INVESTIGATORS are focusing on Columbia's left wing as they tried to determine what destroyed the space shuttle, killing all seven astronauts on board.

A piece of insulating foam broke off the external fuel tank about a minute into Columbia's launch on January 16, smashing into the wing, which is covered with thermal tiles to protect the ship from the extreme heat experienced on re-entry into the atmosphere.

Just a day earlier, Nasa had given assurances that the incident was no reason for concern.

The space agency did an extensive engineering analysis that included a frame-by-frame examination of the launch video, and concluded that any damage to Columbia's thermal tiles would be minor.

However, the independent commission appointed by Nasa to investigate the incident is now looking at the possibility that the tiles were damaged far more seriously than previously thought.

The same wing showed sensor failures yesterday, 23 minutes before Columbia was due to touch down. Seven minutes later the shuttle disintegrated over Texas.

Shuttle manager Ron Dittemore said: "As we look at that now in hindsight we can't discount that there might be a connection. But we have to caution you and ourselves that we can't rush to judgement on it because there are a lot of things in this business that look like the smoking gun but turn out not even to be close."

Debris from the craft, was being recovered from Louisiana and the Dallas and Fort Worth areas of Texas.

Items found included a badly burnt human torso, skull and thigh bone found near other debris on a rural road in Hemphill, Texas.

Columbia had been due to touch down in Florida at 1416 GMT and was at an altitude of 200,700ft - almost 40 miles up - and travelling at 12,500mph when Mission Control lost contact with it.

Six of the crew were American, and the seventh was Israeli Ilan Ramon, a former pilot and air force colonel who was also his country's first astronaut.
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Old 02-02-2003, 03:14 PM
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krb has a point.

It's sad that 7 people died, but people die every day. Why should we mourn more those 7 than the 40 that died in Zimbabwe? The shuttle is all over the news, but where is the train in Zimbabwe?

I don't like people dying, but the hypocrisy of the US is amazing. And the fact that most of the world buys it. So, 7 people died, sad. But there are worse things happening, 40 people died and hundreds got injured in a train crash.
( http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa...ain/index.html ) Why hasn't anyone started a topic on that?

The same thing with Ruwanda and East Timor. Somehow it seems if you don't die in the USA, you're not worth enough to get on the news. Sad but true.

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tell u why it"s more sad....they were there for investigation....for us....to make our lives better....train accident in sydney was having people like us 2.......with 1 head & 2 arms....but the deal is it"s very sad when we failed in our efforts...not only deaths....it"s a slap on our faces...sydney train crash was a mistake..well krb we all r gonna die someday..why should we all cry???tell me..just tell me did u cried when your loved ones were dead or hurt???

indian girl was in there..kalpana chawla...1st india girl...1st asian girl to join NASA..this was her 2nd mission.....god! may their souls have peace in heaven!!!!@~~
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People die every day. Why should this be any different? Maybe because it happened in the US. I don't see anybody mention the plane crash in East Timor, orthe train crash in Sydney, Australia. That killed more people thian this 'disaster'. I makes me laugh when I see people pretend to care about things like this, just because it is well publicised.
I have to say, that I somehow agree with krb102.
Of course it is horrible, that 7 persons died!!!!!! But they flew through space, and I guess they knew, that this would be dangerous.
In other countries, in poor countries (maybe somewhere in Africa) people don't have to fly to space to die. They die of hunger and of different diseases, and I'm sure it are more than 7 persons a day. But this isn't in Tv every day!!

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Do you think that after Bush had finished his 'emotional' (which means just speaking slower than usual) speech, he went back to his White House and cried? No, he went back and stopped pretending he cared, and started to think about how he can cause deaths in the Middle East.
When I saw him (=Bush) with his speech I got really angry. He stood there, talking about how bad it is that 7 people had to die, and that he's so sorry and he talked about god and so on.....
AND then he wants to make war and thinks this is totally alright!! AAaaaahhh!! It's so contradictory!! He wants a war, where lots of innocent people will die and then he is sorry for 7 astronauts.....!!!!!!
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People die every day. Why should this be any different? Maybe because it happened in the US. I don't see anybody mention the plane crash in East Timor, orthe train crash in Sydney, Australia. That killed more people thian this 'disaster'. I makes me laugh when I see people pretend to care about things like this, just because it is well publicised.
I have to say, that I somehow agree with krb102.
Of course it is horrible, that 7 persons died!!!!!! But they flew through space, and I guess they knew, that this would be dangerous.
In other countries, in poor countries (maybe somewhere in Africa) people don't have to fly to space to die. They die of hunger and of different diseases, and I'm sure it are more than 7 persons a day. But this isn't in Tv every day!

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Do you think that after Bush had finished his 'emotional' (which means just speaking slower than usual) speech, he went back to his White House and cried? No, he went back and stopped pretending he cared, and started to think about how he can cause deaths in the Middle East.
When I saw him (=Bush) with his speech I got really angry. He stood there, talking about how bad it is that 7 people had to die, and that he's so sorry and he talked about god and so on.....
AND then he wants to make war and thinks this is totally alright!! AAaaaahhh!! It's so contradictory!! He wants a war, where lots of innocent people will die and then he is sorry for 7 astronauts.....!!!!!!

bush don"t give a **** to any of this....he just want to seat on the president chair forever....i hate bloody politics....noone is innocent in politics....the way they say that they"re sorry....it"s ...it"s i hate to say funny....
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krb has a point.

It's sad that 7 people died, but people die every day. Why should we mourn more those 7 than the 40 that died in Zimbabwe? The shuttle is all over the news, but where is the train in Zimbabwe?

I don't like people dying, but the hypocrisy of the US is amazing. And the fact that most of the world buys it. So, 7 people died, sad. But there are worse things happening, 40 people died and hundreds got injured in a train crash.
( http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa...ain/index.html ) Why hasn't anyone started a topic on that?

The same thing with Ruwanda and East Timor. Somehow it seems if you don't die in the USA, you're not worth enough to get on the news. Sad but true.

Ice
Why haven't you started that topic yourself, Ice? Why haven't you called the news agencies to complain? So it is the USA's fault that we are "newsworthy?" Start a petition and send it to CNN if it bothers you so much. I am not being sarcastic either. Do something about it instead of just complaining and moaning about "US hypocrisy."

You all are upset that nobody posts about news around the world, yet I have never seen one from any of you. Start speaking up if you want people to know.
Yes...This is a tragedy my thoughts go out to all the families etc....

But it isn't the only tragedy in the world I agree with, & I'm not convinced the 12 page coverage in my paper is warranted. Well, maybe it is as opposed to what Blair wore to Germany, but I'd certainly like to see this sort of coverage for the countless other tragedies that happen around the world....as opposed to a small column on page 30...11 ppl died in a coach crash today.

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krb has a point.

It's sad that 7 people died, but people die every day. Why should we mourn more those 7 than the 40 that died in Zimbabwe? The shuttle is all over the news, but where is the train in Zimbabwe?

I don't like people dying, but the hypocrisy of the US is amazing. And the fact that most of the world buys it. So, 7 people died, sad. But there are worse things happening, 40 people died and hundreds got injured in a train crash.
( http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa...ain/index.html ) Why hasn't anyone started a topic on that?

The same thing with Ruwanda and East Timor. Somehow it seems if you don't die in the USA, you're not worth enough to get on the news. Sad but true.

Ice
Why haven't you started that topic yourself, Ice? Why haven't you called the news agencies to complain? So it is the USA's fault that we are "newsworthy?" Start a petition and send it to CNN if it bothers you so much. I am not being sarcastic either. Do something about it instead of just complaining and moaning about "US hypocrisy."

You all are upset that nobody posts about news around the world, yet I have never seen one from any of you. Start speaking up if you want people to know.
Yes...This is a tragedy my thoughts go out to all the families etc....

But it isn't the only tragedy in the world I agree with, & I'm not convinced the 12 page coverage in my paper is warranted. Well, maybe it is as opposed to what Blair wore to Germany, but I'd certainly like to see this sort of coverage for the countless other tragedies that happen around the world....as opposed to a small column on page 30...11 ppl died in a coach crash today.

Mike

Let me just clarify something. You know how many train wrecks happen in the US. A great deal. Do you see them broadcast all over the news? No. My heart goes out to the people that died, but it happens here a lot and there is no word about it abroad. This is the space shuttle, that is why they are making such a big deal about it. I am convinced if a space outing went "awry" in any other part of the world, you woud hear about it. Sometimes I feel people are just searching for things to pick on.
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Hahaha, my point has been proving by all of your complaining about my post.
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This is the latest news about what went so wrong yesterday


INVESTIGATORS are focusing on Columbia's left wing as they try to determine what destroyed the space shuttle, killing all seven astronauts on board.

A piece of insulating foam broke off the external fuel tank about a minute into Columbia's launch on January 16, smashing into the wing, which is covered with thermal tiles to protect the ship from the extreme heat experienced on re-entry into the atmosphere.

Just a day earlier, Nasa had given assurances that the incident was no reason for concern.

The space agency did an extensive engineering analysis that included a frame-by-frame examination of the launch video, and concluded that any damage to Columbia's thermal tiles would be minor.

However, the independent commission appointed by Nasa to investigate the incident is now looking at the possibility that the tiles were damaged far more seriously than previously thought.

The same wing showed sensor failures on Saturday, 23 minutes before Columbia was due to touch down. Seven minutes later the shuttle disintegrated over Texas.

Shuttle manager Ron Dittemore said: "As we look at that now in hindsight we can't discount that there might be a connection.

"But we have to caution you and ourselves that we can't rush to judgement on it because there are a lot of things in this business that look like the smoking gun but turn out not even to be close."

Debris from the craft was being recovered from Louisiana and the Dallas and Fort Worth areas of Texas.

Items found included a badly burnt human torso, skull and thigh bone found near other debris on a rural road in Hemphill, Texas.

Columbia had been due to touch down in Florida at 1416 GMT and was at an altitude of 200,700ft - almost 40 miles up - and travelling at 12,500mph when Mission Control lost contact with it.
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Hahaha, my point has been proving by all of your complaining about my post.
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