Stupid White Men

spunkywho · #11 12-03-2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

i think he loses alot of credibility for the main fact that his "documentaries" and books are pretty much his opinion and is very biased towards that when it's a basic principle and knowledge that even when stating your own opinion in somethign like that you should give alternative advantages as well.

Stupid White Men is not based on opinion only. Everything he points out about the election is documented. Of course, one formes their own opinions, but they are based on facts. Conclude what you will.

Jim Bon Jovi · #12 12-03-2003, 01:00 AM

he went into bowling for columbine with his opinion, agenda and how he wanted it to come out already there. don't forget there's alot of stuff that didn't make the film and whilst alot of it may have been irrelevant only a fool would fully believe alot of GOOD STRONG counter arguments were left out.

ponrauil · #13 12-03-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

he went into bowling for columbine with his opinion, agenda and how he wanted it to come out already there. don't forget there's alot of stuff that didn't make the film and whilst alot of it may have been irrelevant only a fool would fully believe alot of GOOD STRONG counter arguments were left out.

No offense, but how do you know?

Ponrauil

Jim Bon Jovi · #14 12-03-2003, 01:07 AM

because its far too biased and he's more into inflating his ego and making himself look good than actually putting up for debate.

imagine u were making a film about something u totally despised bet u wouldnt have a totally balanced pro and anti argument in it just the same as moore doesnt.

putting the odd defence that u can easilly shoot down doesnt count as being objective

ponrauil · #15 12-03-2003, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

because its far too biased and he's more into inflating his ego and making himself look good than actually putting up for debate.

imagine u were making a film about something u totally despised bet u wouldnt have a totally balanced pro and anti argument in it just the same as moore doesnt.

putting the odd defence that u can easilly shoot down doesnt count as being objective

I really didn't see his movies that way. I thought he put up for debate with Charlton Heston, he gave the man a chance to defend his position through dialog, he never told him to runaway. Same with Phil Nike in The Big One. Same with GM Boss in Roger&Me. Same with some executives he visited in several firms.
Of course his movies are influenced by his opinions, but IMO he left the opposite side a chance to defend itself. "Stupid White Men" is much more one sided than his 3 movies.

Ponrauil

Jim Bon Jovi · #16 12-03-2003, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

because its far too biased and he's more into inflating his ego and making himself look good than actually putting up for debate.

imagine u were making a film about something u totally despised bet u wouldnt have a totally balanced pro and anti argument in it just the same as moore doesnt.

putting the odd defence that u can easilly shoot down doesnt count as being objective

I really didn't see his movies that way. I thought he put up for debate with Charlton Heston, he gave the man a chance to defend his position through dialog, he never told him to runaway. Same with Phil Nike in The Big One. Same with GM Boss in Roger&Me. Same with some executives he visited in several firms.
Of course his movies are influenced by his opinions, but IMO he left the opposite side a chance to defend itself. "Stupid White Men" is much more one sided than his 3 movies.

Ponrauil

case in point charlton heston came off really badly in that and probably made the defence weaker if anything but whos to say he didnt interview 5 other people with great arguments that moore couldn't shoot down? obviously he picks the ones that show the pro gunners worse

ponrauil · #17 12-03-2003, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

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Originally Posted by ponrauil

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

because its far too biased and he's more into inflating his ego and making himself look good than actually putting up for debate.

imagine u were making a film about something u totally despised bet u wouldnt have a totally balanced pro and anti argument in it just the same as moore doesnt.

putting the odd defence that u can easilly shoot down doesnt count as being objective

I really didn't see his movies that way. I thought he put up for debate with Charlton Heston, he gave the man a chance to defend his position through dialog, he never told him to runaway. Same with Phil Nike in The Big One. Same with GM Boss in Roger&Me. Same with some executives he visited in several firms.
Of course his movies are influenced by his opinions, but IMO he left the opposite side a chance to defend itself. "Stupid White Men" is much more one sided than his 3 movies.

Ponrauil

case in point charlton heston came off really badly in that and probably made the defence weaker if anything but whos to say he didnt interview 5 other people with great arguments that moore couldn't shoot down? obviously he picks the ones that show the pro gunners worse

Possible but whose to say he did? And if the leader of the NRA himself can't come up with decent arguments... who can? Plus he did also interview these people in a militia that dress and train as soldiers, and just let them say what they thought without even trying to contradict them.

Ponrauil

Jim Bon Jovi · #18 12-03-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi

because its far too biased and he's more into inflating his ego and making himself look good than actually putting up for debate.

imagine u were making a film about something u totally despised bet u wouldnt have a totally balanced pro and anti argument in it just the same as moore doesnt.

putting the odd defence that u can easilly shoot down doesnt count as being objective

I really didn't see his movies that way. I thought he put up for debate with Charlton Heston, he gave the man a chance to defend his position through dialog, he never told him to runaway. Same with Phil Nike in The Big One. Same with GM Boss in Roger&Me. Same with some executives he visited in several firms.
Of course his movies are influenced by his opinions, but IMO he left the opposite side a chance to defend itself. "Stupid White Men" is much more one sided than his 3 movies.

Ponrauil

case in point charlton heston came off really badly in that and probably made the defence weaker if anything but whos to say he didnt interview 5 other people with great arguments that moore couldn't shoot down? obviously he picks the ones that show the pro gunners worse

Possible but whose to say he did? And if the leader of the NRA himself can't come up with decent arguments... who can? Plus he did also interview these people in a militia that dress and train as soldiers, and just let them say what they thought without even trying to contradict them.

Ponrauil

maybe because what they were saying made them look bad? lets face it theres many people with ideas u could let speak their mind and look like fools. i cant imagine anyone havign to do much to turn people against neo nazi's or somethign similar going on.

some people aren't as cynical as they should be about stuff like that.

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