Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

the only "true facts" in history are names, dates and places.

as for taking something out of a history lesson for fear of offending, yet again we have absolutely no clue what we havent been taught about in history incase it offends our sensitivities.

im inclined to wonder what if anything the english posters were taught about the glencoe massacre in school....

That's one of the big reasons why I always hated history in school and why I dropped it at the first chance I got. It always irritated me enourmously that here in Ireland history was taught in such a way as to effectively make us hate the British.

Now I went to a very good school in a very good area and people would come out of history classes filled with hate for the British and literally picking fights with, and bullying, the few english people in our school.

It was also a Catholic school and in both history and religion classes the Protestants in Northern Ireland and England were made out to be the most vile creatures on earth and the Catholics the only righteous ones. Even Irish history was skewed in whatever way the teachers political views happened to be. I lost all trust and interest in History lessons as soon as I figured that, as you said, there are no facts in history. Also the fact that it's as mindnumbingly boring as sitting through mass didn't help either.

and i bet they ignored anything that showed catholics in a bad light and protestants in a good one for

*takes deep breath*




fear of offending the class!!!!

i really don't get why most people in the thread are not getting this fairly simple concept.

that isn't aimed toward you btw butters

while we're at it, irish history IS shit and that is aimed at you

You got that right.

No, I get it. History is also taught in such a way as to conform with whatever the person or (culture) who's teaching it believes in, and that's why I think it's pathetic.

I agree!

irish history is probs THE best history u can learn and the most interesting and exciting.

as for them all showing the british in a bad light, im afraid it is just palin historical fact that they treated the irish like shit from the moment they came into it, thats including everything from 1921 onwards,

now dnt get me wrong i know catholics (nationalist,republicans) done a lot of bad too!

and chinese people think china has the most interesting history, africans - african history,americans - american history. lets try and be at least a little objective here

see my point about historical facts being resigned to names, dates and places you can't just turn round and say the british are horrible thats a historical fact. if you do that and your institute let you away with it then it's a joke of a degree you're working on.

and what of this is investigated on your course? examples?

well i am, out of the historical periods iv studied, from america, england, france, i still find the irish the most exciting!





awww see the only problem with that is that i stuided in a mix class of protestents and catholics and my teacher was a protestent, and everything is covered from the ira bombings in the 70s, 80s, to gerry mandering, civil rights marches, british coullsion with loyalists and R.U.C, the disappered. do u really think my course was only taught one way? that u can only learn irish history for real outside ireland??

Your post seems to sum it all up...I've not heard of the Glencoe Massacre..please excuse my ignorance. (blame my teachers)

And yes we do not know what we have not been taught, for what ever reason.

The more we know, the less we know?

glencoe to be short and blunt = the king (possibly by deception from one of his aides) sending english soldiers to glencoe to massacre the mcdonald clan. women, children, the elderly included.

to say it was savage is a major understatement, woman had their fingers bitten off for rings to be looted, children were shot point blank as they clung to soldiers legs and begged to be spared. even the livestock was massacred.

im pretty sure there's plenty of scottish deviancy towards the english that goes way under the radar north of the border too which is why i find this argument about muslims absolutely ridiculous.

the odds of getting a fair, balanced and objective history of anywhere increases immeasurably when studied from another nation especially a place with a history like ireland's.