Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

im afriad i have proof of word, but i got into liverpool hope and strawberry hill in london and i was told by each of them that St marys was a better place to get a degree, more respected, and when you need at least an A and 2 Bs just to get into the place it shows how how the standard is!

i wouldnt really put my faith in what menas do, iv seen there memebrs do and say the most stupid things! anyway that was only a light example!

if you take the G.C.S.E and A-level results across the board and compare them to the rest of the U.K. we are first, well the men are second to the women!

word just doesn't cut it especially when it's taken on the back of 2 other catholics universities that are not renowned saying: that place is better.

an A and 2 B's is actually a really low standard if you're taking teaching into consideration. If I remember correctly you need 2 A's and 1 or 2 B's just to get into the faculty of arts and social sciences at my uni and even then only a tiny fraction ever get near teaching history as it's so competative. the figures for this year was something like 140 applicants, 80 interviews and only 20 places to get into the postgrad.

THAT demands a high standard to get onto the PGCE and even at that i'm not going to say it's better than anywhere else because i frankly have no clue whatsoever.

if we're going to go into mensa, im fairly sure the amount of stupid shit said by people is exponentially larger in those with an IQ below 130 than those with one over it.

PGCE is a tottaly different thing altogether, as far as i knwo to one in theis country its counts more towards experience than it does what degree level you have, my friends is on it with a 2.2. but he said its only because he had a lot opf teaching experience that he got the very limitesd place, i blieve Queens is the main place to do one in this country, i know st Marys only offers PGCE in Irish.

as far as i know that is the standard grad to get in to my college, and the spaces are getting smaller each year i think there was only 250 places with 1800 applicants, i was lucky with history because there wasnt a big number of people looking to do that as the main subject.

and if i needed 2A,s and B just to do teaching i think id be off doing law in queens with them type of grades!

and mensa doesnt really mean as much these times as it did, a high IQ doesnt mean a smart person.

History depends who's telling it. I don't approve the distorting of the facts, but it's not the first time it's happened and it's not the last.

The Russians still claim that the Finnish attacked them in 1939, the start of WWII around here. It has been proved many times that the Russians actually crossed the border and shot across it to Soviet Union to make it seem the Finns started it. This gave the Soviets the reason they needed to attack. After the war this was found out, but still, to this day, the Russians teach history that says the Finns attacked them.

I would imagine the WMDs never found in Iraq will also never make it into the official history books. The president decided to attack a foreign country based on "evidence" that was later proved to be false. But will that make it in the history books? I doubt it.

In Germany, they're still so afraid of the Nazi regime that they won't allow anything that reminds them of it. Computer games have been altered because of that (many that take place in WW II time were change so that the Nazis were actually "aliens" from another planet) and for example KISS can't use their lightining bolt logo there.

So I'm not surprised, just annoyed. I'm hoping people are smart enough to find out the truth by themselves. If they're not, I'm not sure if they deserve to know the truth.

Ice

you're saying mensa is redundant contemporarily speaking yet you're using a programme hosted by phillip "i put my hand up gordon the ****ing gophers arse half my career" schofield to "prove" that irish are smarter than the rest of britian?

words fail me.

Back to the original topic. I checked out your college's website.

i must say i don't think a college on the falls road with a priest as it's principal which boasts of its gaelic football team and which has an education faculty taught by people with second names like Feeney, Downey, Collins, McCann, Hanratty and Coll that teaches with the intention of going into catholic schools is an institute I'd bet any money on giving a fair, accurate and balanced view of Irish and British history.

But if they tell you it is then who am i to argue?

It reminds me of the students who come out of the Creation Science Universities in America and claim they are real scientists who got proper scientific education.

On the issue of British education I've always thought it odd that you only do three subjects for your A-Levels, especially when they can be bullshit subjects like Media Studies. Here in the Republic for our Leaving Cert (our A-Levels) you must sit 5 subjects minimum which must include Maths and English to even gain your Leaving Cert. If you want to go to third level you've got to sit 6 and most people usually sit 7, 8 or 9 subjects and they are all proper subjects. To get into any college course you've got to have Maths, English and a foreign language.

Now, I'm never one to get into arguments into which countries are smarter then others because you have idiots everywhere and smart people everywhere and I think it usually comes down to culture more then education which determines how "smart" a country is but I have a sneeking suspicion educational levels are far higher in the Republic then Britain of NI. Also the fact that third level education is free and people over 23 can get into university very easily makes a huge difference too.

And Malachy, if you're going to try and dismiss MENSA, you might want to spell it correctly!

it would be as if your almost saying that you cant get a fair view of irish history if you are catholic, or indeed go to a catholic school, but im sure your not as ignorant to suggest that. if you are i think its time to see past that and realise that history is there of all to see and read and if you believe everything said to you in your class about history without checking it you need to re-think things.

but the only problem with your argument would be that i havnt been taught irish history from this college! indeed all i have learned is european history and American history and yes that includeds the the holocast. all irish hsitory i learn from a mixed college and even from a catholic college, funny how you can get a clear view of history from one side, and even better from both.


on a side note, Feeney and Collins are actually two of my history teachers! always buy every table a bottle of wine at the christmas dinner, and Collins can sure dance.

im sorry are you really comparing a fiction story to Irish history?? are you saying that i need to go to an Atheist college in order to learn irish history?

well for St Marys you need english maths science at G.C.S.E level, of course that B or higher, but your right the republic does have a harder educatrion system than that of the U.K., most of my friends are from donegal and the stuff they had to do was hard, and it doesnt help that you are a year younger than us at that level


again i would agree with that, id go as far as saying that ireland is smarter than britian lol! well he didnt produce more nobel literature winners for no reason lol o and james joyce!

Just while we are on the subject of irish history and the fact that you cant get a clear viewpoint from my c atholic teaching college

Collins and Feeney were one of many people who wanted the real truth to be told about Bloody Sunday (when British Soldiers shot dead 14 civil rights marches in Derry City in 1972) thee biritsh Goverment at the time claimed that they were IRA men with weapons, but of course these 2 men and others said they werent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6699729.stm

well a mere 35 years on it seems that they really were innocent civil rights marchers

What a muppet.

But well done for acknowledging that religion is fictional.