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Old 03-21-2004, 09:19 PM
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whoever came up with the diea of no sex before marriage was most obviously a lesbian
I dont' think so, since homosexual marriages aren't legal in some countries, they would have no sex at all

About the not eating meat at fridays, i don't get that either, so i eat it anyway.

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Which are the non-religious reasons for not doing it before you get married?
not sure,but maybe if something goes wrong "you" are in a steady relationship or knowing that the guy is not only with you for the sex
to be honest i don't know either
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yeah, but there's this problem: if you say to your 14 year old daughter to not have sex before merriage, she will maybe follow your "rule" and maybe not. if she still has sex, it's not too bad for her or for you. she only doesn sin in the eyes of the church, but if she's really religious and really cares about not doing sins, she will wait till marriage anyway.

on the other hand if you tell her to not use condoms, cause that's a sin, there's a good chance that she will believe that (for her it's a probably huge difference between to "sex or no sex" thing and the "sex with condoms or without") and maybe she will have sex without a condom and maybe she will be pregnant or get an affliction.
Erm... I guess a Catholic mother would tell her daughter not to have sex. Period. What would be the use of telling her not to use condoms only? The Catholic church first and foremost point in this aspect is, sex is only the means to have children. So a mother would tell her daughter that. No way is she just going to tell her not to use condoms!!!

And again... The catholic church is very logical. They do feel sorry for the poeple who die of AIDS, but the say the only valid (for them!) method against it and other diseases and unwanted pregnancies is chastity. And that's what makes sense if you take into consideration their policy.

I'm NOT saying I agree. But if they were saying to the people in Africa to get on with their lives and avoid AIDS by using condoms they'd be contradicting themselves. The Church says: sex is only to be practiced within the marriage and only to have children. That way they're implying you can't have extramarital relationships, which reduces the risk of your getting AIDS, etc. And you can only have sex with your spouse when you want to bring a child to the world (which is the purpose of marriage anyway) so... they ask, why would you want to have sex with someone other tahn your spouse or not to have children? Following this you would never need a condom!!!
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You know why I think they don't want you to use protection.

The more children catholic parents bring up, the more likely the Catholic population is to grow

seriously think about it: Strength in numbers.
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so it's every Friday during Lent? had no idea really. well it`s tridition for me to eat fish on ash wednesday and the friday before easter but not every friday.
btw do you have that tradition too to eat fish the friday before christmas well the day christ is supposed to have died, and on thursday the day before you eat something green? it's the only day in the year someone gets me to eat spinach *g*
Yup, every Friday during Lent, but according to my mum it used to be every single Friday throughout the year.

As for those traditions you mention- I never heard of them!!!

The one with the green meal sounds like fun! :P
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You know why I think they don't want you to use protection.

The more children catholic parents bring up, the more likely the Catholic population is to grow

seriously think about it: Strength in numbers.
Sounds like you thought they're trying to build an army!
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not sure,but maybe if something goes wrong "you" are in a steady relationship or knowing that the guy is not only with you for the sex
to be honest i don't know either
Yes, I know most people will want to be in a steady relationship but... aren't they sure their relationship is steady until they get married? Because in that case there are ways out of marriage as well...
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i agree that there's usually a logic in what the catholic church says, as i ponted out in my very first post here. but i also said there that the reality looks very very different and that they should look at this reality before they make statements like "condoms are a sin".


plus if what you say would be completely true, then they would only say this: "have sex only for one reason: to produce children". they wouldn't say anything about condoms at all. (because there wouldn't even be condoms in this catholic version of a perfect world) but they don't say that. because nobody would listen to them and they know that. (99.9% of all people will have sex not only to produce children). so instead they say just things like "don't use condoms" wich is believed by many people and taken completely out of the context from "sex only for producing children" thing.

they want the people to not eat anymore, but because they know they are hungry they don't say "don't eat" they only say "don't use fork and knife", risking that everybody will make a mess by eating with their hands. only in this metaphor the mess that is produced will not be as bad as the mess that is produced when the people aren't allowed to use condoms.
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What's wrong with them saying condoms are a sin when condoms are actually a sin for them?!

And the clarify that using condoms is a sin because condoms do exist. The Catholic Church knows they're not living in a perfect world. They think they're reaching it by excluding condoms!

And if people don't know that the Chrush thinks sex is only to have children, well that's their "problem". I mean, if you're a catholic you're sure to know that! I went to a cathilic school and they kept saying this. Then the use of condoms became more widespread and they added the tag "sex only to produce children and remember condoms induce you to sin".

I don't see where the problem is. It's like science and Church have not walked hand in hand for centuries now. Condoms are there for you to use. If your convictions won't let you use them (and you wouldn't need to be using them in the first place!), that's your choice.

I insisi I don't agree with this kind of thinking. And I know the Church is ruining the missions of thousands of NGO workers in Africa by sying things like that. But I also agree that the "The church says no condoms - the church is evl - the church want people to die of AIDS" is taken out of context and should be explained fully. The church says that because in their opinion condoms are useless and get in the way of creation.
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who is the pope to tell people whether they wish to live or not?

why should the rights of a man who is fatally ill be so different to a man who isnt.
He just scared of dying. He's gonna go soon anyway, and he's not sure if God likes his politics...

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so instead they say just things like "don't use condoms" wich is believed by many people and taken completely out of the context from "sex only for producing children" thing.
So what they're saying is: have sex only to produce children or don't have sex. We all know how well that's gonna work. It's hypocrite and they know it. The only reason pope says things like this is because he's never had a healthy relationship with a woman. His mother died when he was 8 and his father told him all the women are like Virgin Mary. I think the pope should've gotten laid more often, now he's just taking it out on everyone who believes him. And he's getting people killed in the process.

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