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And Jesus was a real person,it's proved,ain't that enaugh.
wheres the proof?

Show me.
Some very serious scientific or history reviews have shown evidence about the fact that the guy existed. I'm sure some british scientific reviews did it to, if you care to look, you should find it easily.
However, it was just the evidence of the existence of the man who became Jesus Christ through religious and historical writings, not of his relation to God or his miracles or anything.

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why would an all loving merciful God create Hell for somethign as menial as not having faith?.
The theological explanation for that is that the soul of a person was made to be with God in the afterlife. A person is sent to Hell if they are deemed to be not worthy to be in the presence of God. So God, in His mercy, creates a place that will act as a distraction from the REAL pain, ie the loss of God, whcih I would suppose is a greater pain than the fires of Hell.
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In our every day lives, we have free will and choice to do and say just about anything, but all come with consequences; some good and some bad. Everything we choose comes with consequences. Some people choose Hell which happens to have a negative consequence, while others choose Heaven, which is a postive consequence. Just like we choose the friends we have or who we are to marry or whatever it may be. Those choices lead to both bad and good consequences and repercussions. God created Hell, I believe, because He loves us but hates sin. He hates sin because it separates us from Him who is perfect. He wants us to be perfect like Him and He punishes those who choose not to believe and be perfect. We can never be truley perfect or like God until we make the choice of eternal life. If we don't and choose the other path, then we suffer eternal damnation, which is a negative consequence of that choice. I will say again, as with all choices there are positive and negative consequences. Which type of consequences there are depends on what we choose. You can also choose whether to believe in something or not. Just because you don't believe in something does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't true. Even if you don't believe in God, Jesus, or The Bible or don't believe that it is truth, does that mean they don't exist or are not true? If you don't believe we have free will and it's consequences both good and bad, does that mean it doesn't really exist? There is proof and a lot of it that Jesus exists and that The Bible is The Word of God. Even if there is little or no proof, that does not mean that He never existed or that The Bible is not the truth or The Word of God. Believe what you will, because in the end, you DO have the choice.
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Here's a little transcript from a Rowan Atkinson show in which he acts as Satan welcoming newbies in Hell:

"Ah, hello, it's nice to see you all here.

Now, as the more perceptive of you have probably realized by now, this is hell.
And I am the Devil, (pause) ...good evening, (nods) er, but you can call me Toby if you like, we... we try to keep things informal here ...as well as infernal... (chuckles)
That's just a little joke, I tell it every time... (coming to business) now:

You're all here for (turns over a page on his clipboard) ...eternity - oooh - which I hardly need to tell you is a heck of a long time, ahm, so you'll all get to know each other pretty well by the end.
But for now I'm going to have to split you up into groups, will you STOP SCREAMING!

Thank you.

Now, murderers... Murderers, over here please, (points directions) thank you...

Er, looters and pillagers over here... thieves, if you could join them, and lawyers, you're in that lot.

Er, fornicators, if you could step forward... (astonished) My God, there are a lot of you. Can I split you up into adulterers and the rest: Male adulterers, if you could just form a line in front of that small guillotine in the corner there...

Ah... the French. Are you here? If you'd just like to come down here with the Germans... I'm sure you'll have plenty to talk about.

Okay. Erm... (turns over another page) Atheists. Atheists, over here please... (looks at them with a mixture of pity and ridicule) You must be feeling a right bunch of nitwits? I think so... Never mind.

And finally Christians? Christians? Ah yes, I'm sorry, I'm afraid the Jews were right. If you could come down here... that would be really kind, thank you.

Okay: Right, well, are there any questions?

Yes?

Nnnoo, I'm afraid we don't have any toilets. Um, if you'd read your bible, you might have seen that it was "Damnation Without Relief". So if you didn't go before you came, then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy yourself very much.
But then I believe that's the idea...

(turns to an imaginary assistant) Okay: Well, it's over to you ...Adolf.

And I'll, er, catch you all later at the barbecue - Bye!"



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In our every day lives, we have free will and choice to do and say just about anything, but all come with consequences; some good and some bad. Everything we choose comes with consequences. Some people choose Hell which happens to have a negative consequence, while others choose Heaven, which is a postive consequence. Just like we choose the friends we have or who we are to marry or whatever it may be. Those choices lead to both bad and good consequences and repercussions. God created Hell, I believe, because He loves us but hates sin. He hates sin because it separates us from Him who is perfect. He wants us to be perfect like Him and He punishes those who choose not to believe and be perfect. We can never be truley perfect or like God until we make the choice of eternal life. If we don't and choose the other path, then we suffer eternal damnation, which is a negative consequence of that choice. I will say again, as with all choices there are positive and negative consequences. Which type of consequences there are depends on what we choose. You can also choose whether to believe in something or not. Just because you don't believe in something does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't true. Even if you don't believe in God, Jesus, or The Bible or don't believe that it is truth, does that mean they don't exist or are not true? If you don't believe we have free will and it's consequences both good and bad, does that mean it doesn't really exist? There is proof and a lot of it that Jesus exists and that The Bible is The Word of God. Even if there is little or no proof, that does not mean that He never existed or that The Bible is not the truth or The Word of God. Believe what you will, because in the end, you DO have the choice.
God isn't male or even a physical entity so why refer to God as him?

and if u do not mind me asking. do u fear going to hell in all honesty. i mean do u think if u weren't religious and committed sin would u go to hell
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a)The Bible is real + God exists and Ill worship him and say what a good book it is.
i could but id have to kill u.
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In our every day lives, we have free will and choice to do and say just about anything, but all come with consequences; some good and some bad. Everything we choose comes with consequences. Some people choose Hell which happens to have a negative consequence, while others choose Heaven, which is a postive consequence. Just like we choose the friends we have or who we are to marry or whatever it may be. Those choices lead to both bad and good consequences and repercussions. God created Hell, I believe, because He loves us but hates sin. He hates sin because it separates us from Him who is perfect. He wants us to be perfect like Him and He punishes those who choose not to believe and be perfect. We can never be truley perfect or like God until we make the choice of eternal life. If we don't and choose the other path, then we suffer eternal damnation, which is a negative consequence of that choice. I will say again, as with all choices there are positive and negative consequences. Which type of consequences there are depends on what we choose. You can also choose whether to believe in something or not. Just because you don't believe in something does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't true. Even if you don't believe in God, Jesus, or The Bible or don't believe that it is truth, does that mean they don't exist or are not true? If you don't believe we have free will and it's consequences both good and bad, does that mean it doesn't really exist? There is proof and a lot of it that Jesus exists and that The Bible is The Word of God. Even if there is little or no proof, that does not mean that He never existed or that The Bible is not the truth or The Word of God. Believe what you will, because in the end, you DO have the choice.
God isn't male or even a physical entity so why refer to God as him?

and if u do not mind me asking. do u fear going to hell in all honesty. i mean do u think if u weren't religious and committed sin would u go to hell
Because Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God became man to be with us and to pay the price for our sins. Jesus was human because He walked with us then He died, yet He is also God because He rose again and now lives eternally in Heaven. His physical body died, but His spirit still lives. When we die and if we choose to be with Him, our bodies will die but our spirit will live forever with Jesus. That is what I believe anyway, but you can choose what you want to believe since it is free will. For your second question, I don't really fear of going to hell because I know where I am going. I am a sinner and have sinned many many times. But commiting sin or doing wrong deeds in life is not why people go to hell. If you truley believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins and rose again, then you are saved. That is your ticket into heaven. Even if I didn't believe this I wouldn't fear hell because I wouldn't have believed in hell either, so there would be nothing to fear.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)
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In our every day lives, we have free will and choice to do and say just about anything, but all come with consequences; some good and some bad. Everything we choose comes with consequences. Some people choose Hell which happens to have a negative consequence, while others choose Heaven, which is a postive consequence. Just like we choose the friends we have or who we are to marry or whatever it may be. Those choices lead to both bad and good consequences and repercussions. God created Hell, I believe, because He loves us but hates sin. He hates sin because it separates us from Him who is perfect. He wants us to be perfect like Him and He punishes those who choose not to believe and be perfect. We can never be truley perfect or like God until we make the choice of eternal life. If we don't and choose the other path, then we suffer eternal damnation, which is a negative consequence of that choice. I will say again, as with all choices there are positive and negative consequences. Which type of consequences there are depends on what we choose. You can also choose whether to believe in something or not. Just because you don't believe in something does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't true. Even if you don't believe in God, Jesus, or The Bible or don't believe that it is truth, does that mean they don't exist or are not true? If you don't believe we have free will and it's consequences both good and bad, does that mean it doesn't really exist? There is proof and a lot of it that Jesus exists and that The Bible is The Word of God. Even if there is little or no proof, that does not mean that He never existed or that The Bible is not the truth or The Word of God. Believe what you will, because in the end, you DO have the choice.
God isn't male or even a physical entity so why refer to God as him?

and if u do not mind me asking. do u fear going to hell in all honesty. i mean do u think if u weren't religious and committed sin would u go to hell
Because Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God became man to be with us and to pay the price for our sins. Jesus was human because He walked with us then He died, yet He is also God because He rose again and now lives eternally in Heaven. His physical body died, but His spirit still lives. When we die and if we choose to be with Him, our bodies will die but our spirit will live forever with Jesus. That is what I believe anyway, but you can choose what you want to believe since it is free will. For your second question, I don't really fear of going to hell because I know where I am going. I am a sinner and have sinned many many times. But commiting sin or doing wrong deeds in life is not why people go to hell. If you truley believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins and rose again, then you are saved. That is your ticket into heaven.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)
'If you truley believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins and rose again, then you are saved. That is your ticket into heaven.'

erm so if that someone hwo believes is arapist and brute murderer he/she will sitll be welcomed in a heaven? i see yr values and wot yr saying and i dont agree but ist too late in the night to discuss, maybe 2moro lol
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Because Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God became man to be with us and to pay the price for our sins. Jesus was human because He walked with us then He died, yet He is also God because He rose again and now lives eternally in Heaven
er the way you say that makes it sound like its some proven + accepted fact...
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Some very serious scientific or history reviews have shown evidence about the fact that the guy existed. I'm sure some british scientific reviews did it to, if you care to look, you should find it easily.
I think if it was actually 100% PROVEN that Jesus was a real man, and the son of God, then it would have been pretty big news. I dont care what the hell a bunch of (british whatever) Christian scientist geeks came up with..
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