'The evil bible' - plz read.. u wont believe this.

faitheveryday1984 · #21 02-06-2004, 02:14 AM

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In our every day lives, we have free will and choice to do and say just about anything, but all come with consequences; some good and some bad. Everything we choose comes with consequences. Some people choose Hell which happens to have a negative consequence, while others choose Heaven, which is a postive consequence. Just like we choose the friends we have or who we are to marry or whatever it may be. Those choices lead to both bad and good consequences and repercussions. God created Hell, I believe, because He loves us but hates sin. He hates sin because it separates us from Him who is perfect. He wants us to be perfect like Him and He punishes those who choose not to believe and be perfect. We can never be truley perfect or like God until we make the choice of eternal life. If we don't and choose the other path, then we suffer eternal damnation, which is a negative consequence of that choice. I will say again, as with all choices there are positive and negative consequences. Which type of consequences there are depends on what we choose. You can also choose whether to believe in something or not. Just because you don't believe in something does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't true. Even if you don't believe in God, Jesus, or The Bible or don't believe that it is truth, does that mean they don't exist or are not true? If you don't believe we have free will and it's consequences both good and bad, does that mean it doesn't really exist? There is proof and a lot of it that Jesus exists and that The Bible is The Word of God. Even if there is little or no proof, that does not mean that He never existed or that The Bible is not the truth or The Word of God. Believe what you will, because in the end, you DO have the choice.

God isn't male or even a physical entity so why refer to God as him?

and if u do not mind me asking. do u fear going to hell in all honesty. i mean do u think if u weren't religious and committed sin would u go to hell

Because Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God became man to be with us and to pay the price for our sins. Jesus was human because He walked with us then He died, yet He is also God because He rose again and now lives eternally in Heaven. His physical body died, but His spirit still lives. When we die and if we choose to be with Him, our bodies will die but our spirit will live forever with Jesus. That is what I believe anyway, but you can choose what you want to believe since it is free will. For your second question, I don't really fear of going to hell because I know where I am going. I am a sinner and have sinned many many times. But commiting sin or doing wrong deeds in life is not why people go to hell. If you truley believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins and rose again, then you are saved. That is your ticket into heaven.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

'If you truley believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins and rose again, then you are saved. That is your ticket into heaven.'

erm so if that someone hwo believes is arapist and brute murderer he/she will sitll be welcomed in a heaven? i see yr values and wot yr saying and i dont agree but ist too late in the night to discuss, maybe 2moro lol

Yes, even mass murders and rapists can repent and truely believe in their heart that this is true and be saved. I think that it is possible for a person like that to change and confess and repent thier sins to Jesus.

Mongoose · #22 02-06-2004, 02:15 AM

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Because Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God became man to be with us and to pay the price for our sins. Jesus was human because He walked with us then He died, yet He is also God because He rose again and now lives eternally in Heaven. His physical body died, but His spirit still lives. When we die and if we choose to be with Him, our bodies will die but our spirit will live forever with Jesus. That is what I believe anyway, but you can choose what you want to believe since it is free will. For your second question, I don't really fear of going to hell because I know where I am going. I am a sinner and have sinned many many times. But commiting sin or doing wrong deeds in life is not why people go to hell. If you truley believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins and rose again, then you are saved. That is your ticket into heaven. Even if I didn't believe this I wouldn't fear hell because I wouldn't have believed in hell either, so there would be nothing to fear.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

you people make me laugh. If God exists and you believe he does, worship him in your own way. Not the way that some geeks came up with thousands of years ago, God will know you love him + that should be that. What you write is a result of your indoctrination over the years in the Christian faith, you should believe what you want not what you have been brought up (brainwashed...) into believing

Jim Bon Jovi · #23 02-06-2004, 02:16 AM

riiiiiiiiiiiight so by your logic someone who kills ie sins but believes n god and all that just say for example guys on death row.... will go to heaven

whereas someone like me who has a different idea to what God is and doesn't actually believe in heaven though haven't done many bad things in my life r ****ed???

seems like a kinda flawed logic to me.

Mongoose · #24 02-06-2004, 02:18 AM

btw, whats your take on the Palestine / Israel conflict? Officially America supports Isreal, but Jesus was Palestinian...Israel didnt exist then....so you must be a PLO supporter?

mreto · #25 02-06-2004, 02:26 AM

i interprete the bible in a very symbolic way. i don't think that God really exists or that Jesus was his son or even God himself. and from many other people in the bible i don't even believe that they existed, adam and eve for example.

anyway, i think there are many good ideas found in the bible (if you read it in a positive symbolic way). there are a lot of metaphors or whole stories that must be interpreted somehow symbolicaly in my eyes, and where i don't belive anything like that ever happened for real. it's like modern writing, where often the author tries to say something totally different from what he really says...

after all, even though i don't believe in God or Jesus as his son, (i don't even believe that there is a higher "spirit" or "thing" out there), i would still call myself a Christian, because my ethics are based on the 10 commandments, a lot of my ideals (like my view of merriage for example) are Christian ideals etc.

i was raised going to church and all that, but after trying to understand other religions i ended up only believing in the good side in every one of us, and in some ideas, but not believing in any god anymore...

i don't think it's a bad thing to be religious and believing in something, but sadly to many bad thing have been done in the name of some God (and here i mean every "God" of every religion in the last 2000 years or more).

faitheveryday1984 · #26 02-06-2004, 02:27 AM

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Because Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God became man to be with us and to pay the price for our sins. Jesus was human because He walked with us then He died, yet He is also God because He rose again and now lives eternally in Heaven

er the way you say that makes it sound like its some proven + accepted fact...

If you would have read on, I cleary stated that this is what I believe, but you can choose what you want to believe since we all have free will to choose. It is an accepted fact for many Christians and has been proven many times by a lot of different things. At that time when Jesus was with us in both body and spirit, it was pretty big news. Some say it still is. But you believe what you want. I am stating my beliefs that I choose to believe. You have your own beliefs and values and I accept that.

Jim Bon Jovi · #27 02-06-2004, 02:33 AM

I'd like to know what this proof is cos as far as myself and most other people r concerned there is no proof.

there never actually will be proof of Gods existence.

and u didnt answer my question about mass murderers and rapists getting into heavn but me going to hell cos i think most organised religion is just a really big way of brainwashing people

Louciel · #28 02-06-2004, 02:46 AM

er....I do not mean to disturb your little argumentation, but the issues you bring up here have been disscussed for centuries, if not for longer.
so you wont persuade each other here and now...

Nevertheless, what you both are saying shows pretty well that people with completely different point of views still can believe in the same God and the same book, that belongs to him/her/whatever(sorry)

And thats the reason why the bible is so successful; it is very interpretable
and that's why you will always find points in it that collide.

btw. the koran is the same

what you believe and how you practice it is your choice
you won't meet someone after death who says: see I was right and you were wrong.

Jim Bon Jovi · #29 02-06-2004, 02:47 AM

i believe in faith, i believe in something beyond physical reality but i don't believe in some dude that created the world and decided what was good and bad.

mreto · #30 02-06-2004, 02:49 AM

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I'd like to know what this proof is cos as far as myself and most other people r concerned there is no proof.

probably faitheveryday uses another definition of "proof" here. i also haven't heard of any proof so far. for me if something seems to be true for some reason, it doesn't mean it is proved, unless there really isn't any other possibility, even if you can't think of any other possibility.

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there never actually will be proof of Gods existence.

well i actually don't think that it's gonna happen, but you can't say this as a fact. maybe one day there will really be a proof, and then i will rather look stupid

(i mean a proof of some "higher spirit" or anything.)

'The evil bible' - plz read.. u wont believe this.

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