The next time a discussion on JFK comes up....

You really need to get your head out of your arse KRB.

Does it really make a big deal if I write An opinion or My opinion?

and I find it quite irnoic that YOU of all people are claiming I see my views as correct and everyone elses wrong.

As I say. this is what my friend told me he actually witnessed. The guy got hit once in the head and the bullet came out somewhere completely different. What would the use of him lying be?

Some people are just naturally full of bull sh1t.

I posted what I did to show that 'your mate in the pub' was one of those people.

There ain't a lot of bullsh1t in what his mate said, except maybe that bullets are designed to ricochet off bones. I don't know the right English words, but through "fields" and "draws" in the barrel, the bullet gets a spin that stabilizes its flight and causes more damage in a human body, because after it flew a while it trundles so to say.

Since you refer to your mechanics knowledge, "ricochet off bones" doesn't mean a bone reflects bulltes like a mirror light rays (and I know this is actually optics, not mechanics). What it means is that indeed bones can deflect bullets.

Mechanics again, penetrating the skull by entering the bullet loses velocity, very simple!
And of course, when I hold the muzzle on a forehead it is pretty clear that it goes straight through almost everytime than when I shoot from 100 metres away.

What actually was wrong was Jim's conclusion that these facts deny the magic bullet theory of the JFK assassination; see my above post.

I know it doesn't. That is what Jim and 'his mate in the pub' believed.I know, since that is what it says in the article that I posted. What was wrong with Jims conclusion is him believing that a bullet is like a bouncing ball when it gets inside the skull, or the body.

Krb, there are people who bullshit, true but what would my mate actually achieve by makign up a story about a guy who got shot in the head and had a bullet hole in his back?

I'm pretty sure he's more clued up on what the bullets do than you or me and I was referring to the idea that bullets can change direction in the body, not that they skite around like a rubber ball for ages.

i was bringing up the point about the magic bullet theory meaning a bullet could have came out of either 2 men at a different angle from what it went in it creating the effect. i'd be interested to see a diagram of the bullets supposed flight path.

Yes, of course. But that's not what makes the magic bullet theory so magic. It's the direction changes in the air, it's how a bullet that caused 7 wounds can look so new, it's how it could hit JFK in the back when the Zapruder film actually shows that the hit throws him backwards etc.





Sidenote: my knowledge is based on the Oliver Stone film, it is what I believe cause it is not just a film but has at least a valid source, District Attorney Jim Garrison's book 'On The Trail Of The Assassins'. It makes sense to me and is what I believe.

Well the situation leading to the magic bullet theory is apparently a myth anyway, because the positions of Kennedy and the Governor that are used were actually incorrect. (Although this inforation may actually be counter-biased itself.) Therefore there was no crazy changes of direction, just bad assumed positioning of the two people involved.

Ahh, apparently this film is actually incorrect in many aspects of the assassination according to a documentry that I've seen. Whether this documentry was biased the other way I don't know, but it did make some good points. It showed that Connely was actually further to the right and lower than the film JFK depicted, and thus the bullet path is in fact feasible. As for Kennedy being thrown backwards when being shot in the back of the throat, it is apparently possible for a body to react randomly when hit by a bullet as there are numerous other factors involved other than momentum of the bullet. We had a "discussion" about this quite a while ago on this forum if you want to find the thread.

cool thanx for the diagram but I've seen documentaries where there's alot of reasons for the magic bullet not being magic at all including the hole in JFK's shirt not actually being where it's commonly thought to have been (showed you pictures of it too)

which could easilly have made it hit the dude in front of him.

and yeah the discussion on how you react when a bullet hits you was pretty cool.

It's not like in films, you don't do back flips or anything stupid like that but I'm pretty sure you're brain or nerves are going to react one way or another.

Yes, I question a lot of things in this film, too. But nevertheless, Garrisons explanations make lot more sense to me than the amount of coincidences that should have taken place that day.
All I tried to say is that Jim's first post doesn't affect the theory at all. Equal if the positions of the two men are true, false or whatsoever, and therefore if the theory itself is true or wrong, that bullets get deflected when going through bodies is not what this theory is all about.