[Avantasian]

Originally Posted by SmirkSteve

I don't hate Vettel and to be honest I don't think most do. It's just his success overrates his actual skill as a racing driver. He's fine when he's in the fastest car at the front of the grid, but when he has to fight for a win or is put under pressure, he buckles. He only thrives when he's in clear air at the for, as we saw this past weekend when he sat behind Massa for half the race and only got past him because of his pit crew.

It's not because he's German, the same thing happened in 2009 with Button, who to be fair whilst not be the best racing driver out there is far more of a racer than Vettel, but without that massively superior Brawn for the first half of the season he'd have been nowhere near the title, as the second half of the season showed us.

Yeah, I get your point.

Anyway I ask you to differ a bit here.
You can't really measure the quality of a driver by how much of a racer he is.
Massa might be a great racer, yet he ****s up really often,definitely more often than Vettel.
Same with Lewis Hamilton. He is a really fast and aggresive driver, but he acts rather unreasonable at times (Monaco, Canada).

Vettel is more of a conscious, yet very fast driver.
He was not on Pole for most races this year without a reason (yes, he has the fastest car, but why didn't Webber get to the front more often then?)
Why should he have attacked Massa when the points he gets bring him one step closer to the title? I think it was a rather smart decision not to risk too much in that situation and so possibly throwing away the points.
And wasn't Alonso also unable to pass Petrov in Abu Dhabi?
Sometimes it just doesn't work even if you want it really bad and you're the best racer in the field.
And about being under pressure: There were other drivers who ****ed up when they were.

Vettel is fast without taking too many risks and that's what he should be given credit for at least.

[Irishshin]

Originally Posted by SmirkSteve

I don't hate Vettel and to be honest I don't think most do. It's just his success overrates his actual skill as a racing driver. He's fine when he's in the fastest car at the front of the grid, but when he has to fight for a win or is put under pressure, he buckles. He only thrives when he's in clear air at the for, as we saw this past weekend when he sat behind Massa for half the race and only got past him because of his pit crew.

This.

I don't hate Vettel.
I hate seeing that stupid finger, but hey, thats his thing!
And to be honest F1 was getting very boring with him winning all the time. It was like that time a few years back when Schumacher was winning.

Originally Posted by Avantasian

Massa might be a great racer, yet he ****s up really often,definitely more often than Vettel.

Seriuosly? I think its Ferrari screw Massa around. I don't think he has screwed up that much..and the past few races he has been pretty consistent. I do think though that Massa has not been the same since the accident, no matter how much he insists he is. He seems to have lost some confidence...or something.

Originally Posted by Avantasian

Vettel is more of a conscious, yet very fast driver.
He was not on Pole for most races this year without a reason (yes, he has the fastest car, but why didn't Webber get to the front more often then?)
Why should he have attacked Massa when the points he gets bring him one step closer to the title? I think it was a rather smart decision not to risk too much in that situation and so possibly throwing away the points.
And wasn't Alonso also unable to pass Petrov in Abu Dhabi?
Sometimes it just doesn't work even if you want it really bad and you're the best racer in the field.
And about being under pressure: There were other drivers who ****ed up when they were.

Vettel is fast without taking too many risks and that's what he should be given credit for at least.

There is no way in hell Vettel was happy sitting behind Massa. He was attacking him all the time. But he could not get passed....needed that pitstop to help. If he was making the smart decision of not trying to over take him he would be a few seconds behind him all the time.

Vettel is fast, totally agree with that.
But only when he is out the front.
Cos otherwise he can't work the car.

[Irishshin]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447

Absolutley gutted with this
If you wanna watch all the F1 races from next year, you gotta go and get yourself an expensive Sky Sports package.

BBC are only showing half the races.
Stupid decision. If people are paying for Sky they will watch all on Sky.
And whats the point in watching half the races?
Highlights SUCK!!!!!!!

[Bounce7800]

It was always going to happen with the cost cutting the BBC had to make. F1s rights cost in the region of £40-£60 million. Bernie was never going to drop the price, despite the great production and increased ratings and so this is the compromise that allows them to still have an F1 presence and saving nearly £20 million.

Its got to be better than a half-arsed advert infested coverage from either ITV/Channel 4/Channel 5, although I say that as someone who does have Sky. So its a bugger for those that dont, but with any luck there will be ways around it by next season.

[ticos_stick]

Dirty SKY are monopolising F1 now then

I wonder if Brundle and co will make the move to SKY? I can't see some of them being pleased with half arsed coverage.

[Peterson]

Was pissed off when I heard the news this morning. Felt even worse hearing Jake Humphrey having a chat with Chris Moyles on radio 1, poor guy sounded gutted!

One thing I did read though, not sure how much truth is in the matter, but none of the teams knew anything of this deal until news broke this morning, wish I could remember the source, but it basically said that the F1 teams could come in to play and stop it from happening. Or something along the lines of that.

Will see how it goes next year anyway, I just hope the bulk of the races shown on sky are the boring ones like Valencia, Bahrain etc. Glad BBC still have Monaco and British GP, fingers crossed Belgium and Canada are also on that list.

[Peterson]

Just read this:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,19501_7066689,00.html

Looks like Sky won't have ad breaks during the races.

[UKjovi]

Why on earth did they fix the price of TV license?? Then this would not have happened. Really annoyed at this. We've got Sky but just cannot afford Sports on top and I think a lot of people feel the same way. The 2 main sports in England are Football and F1 and we've been sold down the river!

[Irishshin]

Originally Posted by Peterson

Just read this:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,19501_7066689,00.html

Looks like Sky won't have ad breaks during the races.

About the only good news in all of this!

[Peterson]

Originally Posted by Irishshin

About the only good news in all of this!

True, also found out that the races that the BBC miss, we will get 'extended highlights' from them. Hopefully by that it means most of the race rather than the hour of highlights they put on just now.