[Iceman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/8852918.stm

Like I said.

Ice

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

mostly the FIA has been ball-less in these situations, just look at how much Hamilton has got away with.

Hamilton has been punished every time he has broken the rules and often for rules that don't exist yet.

Alonso has proved that he can't win without some sort of intervention (Mass Damper, reliability of cars in front, no. 2 drivers throwing it into the wall).

[Irishshin]

Originally Posted by Iceman

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/8852918.stm

Like I said.

Ice

Absolutely crap punishment.

Am a huge Ferrari fan but this is just sickening.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Mike

Hamilton has been punished every time he has broken the rules and often for rules that don't exist yet.

Bullshit and you know it. I know you're a Hamilton fan, but to say he's got punished is ridiculous. He's had a few small slaps on the wrist, but mostly he's gotten warnings, I think he has about 3 of them this year. But they mean nothing, empty words. Just like FIA usually.

Alonso has proved that he can't win without some sort of intervention (Mass Damper, reliability of cars in front, no. 2 drivers throwing it into the wall).

I don't like Alonso, but the guy has 2 championships, he's a great driver. Whiner, yes, but he can win. Theis year the Ferrari is just bad, jsut like last year. At least then they had Räikkönen who could win even with a bad car.

Ice

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Bullshit and you know it. I know you're a Hamilton fan, but to say he's got punished is ridiculous. He's had a few small slaps on the wrist, but mostly he's gotten warnings, I think he has about 3 of them this year. But they mean nothing, empty words. Just like FIA usually.

He's had 2 warnings for incidents that weren't breaking rules that existed:

- Weaving on the straight (rule is weaving in breaking zone)
- Being side by side in pit lane (as a result of circumstance - no advantage was gained)

Anything else he has been punished as per the rules i.e. drive through penalty. I know you'd prefer if they'd limit him to 70 m.p.h. but I don't think that will happen.

I don't like Alonso, but the guy has 2 championships, he's a great driver. Whiner, yes, but he can win. Theis year the Ferrari is just bad, jsut like last year. At least then they had Räikkönen who could win even with a bad car.

Ice

One of those championships was when he had the Mass Damper which was ruled illegal over half way through the season. The Ferrari has been the second strongest car for most of the season. The reason he is so far behind is because:

Australia - spun at the start
Malaysia - Jumped the start
Monaca - Crashed in practice (although got lucky with the safety car)
Turkey: Spun it in qualifying
Valencia - Got unlucky with the safety car
Silverstone - Gained an advantage by overtaking off the track, didn't give the place back.

He is a good driver, but emotionally unstable and he can't handle competition and this year he has made too many mistakes.

[Bounce7800]

He makes good pasta though:

[Mike]

Also, if Kimi was in a Ferrari this year he would have been there or there abouts at the top of the WDC

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Mike

He's had 2 warnings for incidents that weren't breaking rules that existed:

- Weaving on the straight (rule is weaving in breaking zone)
- Being side by side in pit lane (as a result of circumstance - no advantage was gained)

Anything else he has been punished as per the rules i.e. drive through penalty. I know you'd prefer if they'd limit him to 70 m.p.h. but I don't think that will happen.

Canadian GP: Got a warning for not being able to get back to the pits after qualifying.

Weaving on straight: It's not about weaving in the breaking zone, but you're not allowed to change your line more than once. You really should learn the rules if you try to defend him:

APPENDIX L TO THE INTERNATIONAL SPORTING CODE
CHAPTER IV - CODE OF DRIVING CONDUCT ON CIRCUITS

"However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited."

The pit lane stunt was just stupid (he crossed the white line, the rules clearly state it's punishable), as have been most of the other things he's done, like passing the safety car. He did get punished for that, but the punishment wasn't severe enough.

Also, he's overly aggressive all the time, I'm just hoping he'll **** up his own race one time and not take anyone else with him. He's done a lot more stuff he hasn't been punished, like passing cars over white lines or pushing them out the circuit, but for some reason he gets away with them.

Ice

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Canadian GP: Got a warning for not being able to get back to the pits after qualifying.

I don't think there was a specific rule on this one (happy to be corrected but not going to read the regulations). I'll also add that it wasn't Lewis' decision but the teams so that they'd have enough fuel for a sample/

Weaving on straight: It's not about weaving in the breaking zone, but you're not allowed to change your line more than once. You really should learn the rules if you try to defend him:

APPENDIX L TO THE INTERNATIONAL SPORTING CODE
CHAPTER IV - CODE OF DRIVING CONDUCT ON CIRCUITS

"However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited."

The manoeuvre didn't hinder another driver, nor was it when defending a position. The "weave" wasn't abnormal in that it was a slow deliberate change of direction.

The pit lane stunt was just stupid (he crossed the white line, the rules clearly state it's punishable),

Not sure which one you are referring to here or what white line he crossed.

as have been most of the other things he's done, like passing the safety car. He did get punished for that, but the punishment wasn't severe enough.

It wasn't a actual pass of the safety car. There was half a metre difference between when Lewis passed the safety car line. It was a marginal decision - the punishment was right but the timing was maybe a bit lucky / unlucky depending who you are. This came about as a result of the safety car rules being unfair and that's why the Ferrari's suffered.

Also, he's overly aggressive all the time, I'm just hoping he'll **** up his own race one time and not take anyone else with him.

While he was in his first two seasons at times I don't see it this season. I can't remember one move with the possible exception of the start of Valenica where he has been overly aggresive and put someone else at risk. His Peers however, with the exception of Button have all had incidents on track which have resulted in retirement / heavy damage.

He's done a lot more stuff he hasn't been punished, like passing cars over white lines or pushing them out the circuit, but for some reason he gets away with them.

Again, I don't see it this season - can you show examples of where he has been doing this any more than his Peers?

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Mike

I don't think there was a specific rule on this one (happy to be corrected but not going to read the regulations). I'll also add that it wasn't Lewis' decision but the teams so that they'd have enough fuel for a sample/

There is a very specific rule and it is that you need to have a litre of fuel for the sample. He wouldn't have had that if he hadn't stopped. He got a warning.

The manoeuvre didn't hinder another driver, nor was it when defending a position. The "weave" wasn't abnormal in that it was a slow deliberate change of direction.

Well, the judges didn't think so. And it doesn't matter if it was a change of direction or not, you're not allowed to change the line more than once.

Not sure which one you are referring to here or what white line he crossed.

He's done it many times, actually even passing cars by that, like Vettel on the pit lane entry.

It wasn't a actual pass of the safety car. There was half a metre difference between when Lewis passed the safety car line. It was a marginal decision - the punishment was right but the timing was maybe a bit lucky / unlucky depending who you are. This came about as a result of the safety car rules being unfair and that's why the Ferrari's suffered.

From what I saw, it was clearly a pass. He was behind the saftey car, he saw it and then accelerated in front of the SC after having crossed the finish line on the lap the SC came out.

While he was in his first two seasons at times I don't see it this season. I can't remember one move with the possible exception of the start of Valenica where he has been overly aggresive and put someone else at risk. His Peers however, with the exception of Button have all had incidents on track which have resulted in retirement / heavy damage.

Just one example: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/159634/...own_a_bit.html

Again, I don't see it this season - can you show examples of where he has been doing this any more than his Peers?

I don't remeber all the incidents, but this says a lot: http://connect.in.com/lewis-hamilton...dcd62b3c9.html

Also, the guy is full of shit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...ernando-alonso

He did the same exact thing to Vettel a little later.

Ice