[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

There is a very specific rule and it is that you need to have a litre of fuel for the sample. He wouldn't have had that if he hadn't stopped. He got a warning.

This was a team call though, and the rule has been alrtered since so it can't have been that clear regarding stopping early.

Well, the judges didn't think so. And it doesn't matter if it was a change of direction or not, you're not allowed to change the line more than once.

But again the rule was grey enough that it wasn't clear cut and was taken in the spirit of the maneuover in that it wasn't dangerous, aggressive or disadvantaging anyone. This has also now been clarified.

He's done it many times, actually even passing cars by that, like Vettel on the pit lane entry.

They were clearly side by side going into the Pit lane and where they going to penalise half the field?

From what I saw, it was clearly a pass. He was behind the saftey car, he saw it and then accelerated in front of the SC after having crossed the finish line on the lap the SC came out.

Safety car was coming out of the pits - he actually slowed down when he saw it and then speeded up. That moment of indecision cost him a penalty - if he hadn't slowed down he would have been fine.

Just one example: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/159634/...own_a_bit.html

Written by a Spanish jounalist?

Banging wheels with Vettel: Really? Vettel is such a passive driver. His overtaking move on Sutil at Silverstone was really out of character.

Barrichello's comments on Hamilton weaving: The same Barrichekllo who at Monaco simply threw his wheel onto the race track to be collected by an Hiaspnia driver? The weaving wasn't an aggresive move anyway.

Rim failure in Barcelona: This was human error - nothing to do with Hamilton. Since this article Canda happened proving he can look after his tyres. Also since this article Lewis has got two P1's & two P2's.

I don't remeber all the incidents, but this says a lot: http://connect.in.com/lewis-hamilton...dcd62b3c9.html

I see they omitted the full title of what Hamilton was voted which was most aggressive / exciting driver....

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/161849/...utm_source=rss

Also, the guy is full of shit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...ernando-alonso

He did the same exact thing to Vettel a little later.

I don't remember him overtaking Vettel at the entrance to the pits? The closest was where he was side by side in China... which was the same race as Alonso did his move.

You are seeing things that aren't there. Hamilton hasn't put anyone in danger this season. For me the most aggresive driver on the track today is Vettel, followed by Alonson who has given at least two cars punctures this season with full racing contact.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Mike

You are seeing things that aren't there. Hamilton hasn't put anyone in danger this season. For me the most aggresive driver on the track today is Vettel, followed by Alonson who has given at least two cars punctures this season with full racing contact.

No, I'm not and you know it. Hamilton is the only one who has 3 warnings and a bunch of punishments (although, true to FIA style, ball-less). So it's not only me. Maybe it's you who is seeing things.

Ice

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

No, I'm not and you know it. Hamilton is the only one who has 2 warnings (The third was for McLaren) and 1 drive thru for a marginal offence (although, true to FIA style, ball-less). So it's not only me. Maybe it's you who is seeing things.

Ice

^^ I corrected for you

All I'm seeing is a passionate racer who is vilified by those that don't want to see racing and would prefer the application of unclear rules as to how they are written and not in the spirit of the race / competition.

Or maybe they are selective in the drivers they wish to see penalised.

That said - I am probably somewhat biased so this is just my opinion but I think the view that Lewis is too aggressive is misplaced going on this season and the actions of other drivers.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Mike

^^ I corrected for you

All I'm seeing is a passionate racer who is vilified by those that don't want to see racing and would prefer the application of unclear rules as to how they are written and not in the spirit of the race / competition.

Or maybe they are selective in the drivers they wish to see penalised.

That said - I am probably somewhat biased so this is just my opinion but I think the view that Lewis is too aggressive is misplaced going on this season and the actions of other drivers.

You are biased, it's clear. The word used in the original German about Lewis' driving text was fieseste/fies = nasty, mean, obnoxious. So I'm not alone at all, even his fellow drivers think he is too aggressive.

The rules aren't unclear if you want to obey them, Hamilton obviously wants to bendd them as much as he can.

Ice

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

You are biased, it's clear.

So are you, you hate Hamilton.... At least I can admit it.

The word used in the original German about Lewis' driving text was fieseste/fies = nasty, mean, obnoxious. So I'm not alone at all, even his fellow drivers think he is too aggressive.

How do nasty, mean, obnoxious translate into aggression?

Also, they asked the survey in German? Wouldn't it be more likely to be in the universal F1 language and then translate it? One of the meaning for fieseste is Gnarliest - and this seems to be the one that is used in all translations - which seems to be either surfer slang for awesome, radical, or extreme or referring to Lewis' appearance (i.e. ugly).

If they are referring to being aggresive then a large number of them they are clearly hypocrites.... or blind.

Lewis Hamilton hasn't overtaken one person this season by barging them out of the way, or smashing into them (Vettel) or giving them a puncture (Alonso x 2) or going into the side of them... or over them (Webber)... And he has overtaken more people than anyone else.

The list of aggressive moves from other drivers goes on but I suppose it is ok for anyone else to be aggresive? As soon as Leiws goes over 70 m.p.h. he is being too aggresive in your book.

The rules aren't unclear if you want to obey them, Hamilton obviously wants to bend them as much as he can.

Rules are there to be bent as long as the spirit of racing is followed.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Mike

So are you, you hate Hamilton.... At least I can admit it.

I don't hate Hamilton, I hate anyone who doesn't play by the rules.

If they are referring to being aggresive then a large number of them they are clearly hypocrites.... or blind.

I love it how everyone who disagrees with you is hypocrite or blind. It's you against the world here.

The list of aggressive moves from other drivers goes on but I suppose it is ok for anyone else to be aggresive? As soon as Leiws goes over 70 m.p.h. he is being too aggresive in your book.

No, it isn't, but no one else is denying it or defending it like you are defending Hamilton.

Rules are there to be bent as long as the spirit of racing is followed.

No, rules are to be obeyed. If rules aren't followed, the breakes should be punished.

Or are you one of those who thinks that you can "bend" the rules and drive over the speed limit, "because you can do it safely"? Or drink a few and then get behind the wheel because you're not "that drunk"?

Ice

[Bounce7800]

Christ the Red Bulls are rapid in Hungary, hope someone gets the jump at them at the start tomorrow or its going to be a procession. Well being the Hungaroring it will be anyway!

[UKjovi]

I think Massa will try that for sure and then not his lead go this time.

[Irishshin]

100% behind Felipe for this. He has a good chance if he can get off the line and the Red Bulls are arguing with themselves.

I am guessing they won't do what they have done before but maybe will be more careful?
Well I hope anyway!

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Iceman

If they are referring to being aggresive then a large number of them they are clearly hypocrites.... or blind.

I love it how everyone who disagrees with you is hypocrite or blind. It's you against the world here.

I wouldn't say it was me against the world... even the survey only had Vettel & Alonso 1 behind Hamilton. & Vettel & Alonso weren't going to vote for themselves.

I love the way however you don't seem to register the incidents caused by said drivers that contradict everything you are saying.

Originally Posted by Iceman

Or are you one of those who thinks that you can "bend" the rules and drive over the speed limit, "because you can do it safely"? Or drink a few and then get behind the wheel because you're not "that drunk"?

Ice

Not at all - I don't understand how you can criticise one driver and ignore every other driver's indiscretions or make wild claims that one driver is flouting the rules regularly and getting away with it when only one warning was given for something that wasn't team driven - and this wasn't clear cut. And then somehow claim they are being too agressive as a result, ignoring the driving styles of all over 23 drivers. This is Formula 1, not chess. If Lewis was doing Schumacher-esque moves every week I could understand your point of view.

Exciting race today - Vettel's punishment came a long time after the offence (similar to Hamilton in Valencia) but he still managed to hold onto third. McLaren need to catch up quickly - they can't keep relying on Hamilton to keep them in the race.