The Queen vs Germans

Yes, we have and we still do all the time. Ever imagined how annoying it can be to feel forced to regret things even 50 years later while you weren't part of?
Don't get me wrong, I know we were the "bad ones" and what happened mustn't be forgotten. Never.

And so they should - but what the f**k gives the German media the right to demand an apology to Germany? If I was the Queen, I'd tell them where they can stick their apology - right up their royal arse!

I don't think an apology should be given by anyone who was not involved in it. Obviously the people who actually started it are dead now anyway, but it is not fair of anyone to judge all german people based on how some of them acted 60 years ago.

I still find the demand more than ridiculous but I did some research and found out that this is mostly about Dresden and the massive bombings during the last days of war when Dresden was levelled to the ground although the war was sort of over. As I said before this for sure is debatable but to demand an apology is still ridiculous.

war is war. who's going to apologise for the Brits killed an hour before the ceasefire in ww1 or the folk bombed in Coventry etc...?

To be honest, the people questioning the bombing of Dresden were probably not even alive at the time the decision to bomb the place was made so how can they criticise a strategic plan when they weren't even there during its formulation? They don't know the full picture when the order was given so how can they pass judgement on it as to whether it was necessary or not?

Often historians looking back 'objectively' are in a much better position to judge the necessity of an act like that than the mothers and children huddled together somewhere in a bunker for days without food, drink, light or facilities....

Plus, we're not talking about some incomprehensible facts found out about Egyptian pyramids. We're talking about one of the better documentated parts of history.
Yes, war is war, but levelling a whole city to the ground while whole Germany went already up in ashes IS debatable. That's all I'm saying. I suppose some of you refer to Germany as a big Nazi-brown mass where all citizens had the same attitude as their crazy leader. But I can tell you, it was not like that. Bombing down one of the last intact cities had no further purpose than a psychological one.
I don't say it was completely wrong, nor was it completely right. Therefore it's debatable.

Also, RS8MBOR8, your argument about criticism is utter bullshit.
Who are you to criticize Bon Jovi's music when you most likely weren't there when and after which inspiration it was created? Still, you criticize it and you MAY. Get me?

No, your analogy is 'utter bullshit' in that, a passing comment over TLFR is just about the farthest thing from an opinion on the tactical demolition of a city during wartime! And what about all the English cities that were demolished during German bombing raids?

The fact is, if the German media are demanding an apology for Dresden, maybe they should look closer to home - the Nazi regime brought the bombardment down upon them! I'm not saying they deserved it because I am not educated enough to pass opinion on it (as you so bluntly put!) but since the incident came about because of declaration of war in the first place, Germany brought it upon itself.

Yeah, but I did not compare music and war for what they are, I compared criticizing things that you did not attend when they were made, done or decided. A comment stays a comment. YOU said one mustn't criticize what one didn't attend. And that's not true. Maybe one should not but may.

Well, what about them? Germany was the aggressor, we lost the war, rightfully so. It's not like I'm trying to prove we were the good ones using Dresden as a means to an end.
We were the bad ones. It was our (leaders) cruel intention to destroy those cities.

I agree. Like I said now several times, I find it highly ridiculous to demand an apology remembering what role we had in this war.

I never said you are uneducated and again, you are the one who said who hadn't been there shouldn't criticize.
Germany being the aggressor they even deserved the bombings. All I'm saying is it is debatable whether Dresden had to be levelled to the ground when the war was pretty much over. I mean it wasn't the place of the headquarters or anything. The destruction of Dresden was rather a sign to wipe out all evil, everywhere, something that would have fit Hitler better than the Allies. I even understand this tactic. But was it really necessary to end the war? It IS debatable.