The Trouble with Atheism!

lol 3rd reply lol! also on the show it seemed to me that it shot down a lot of atheist argument shuch as relgion causes vil and if u want to use the excuse that stalin was athesist then he had the incident in France which killed thousands of people!

the darwin theroy that shoots down the notion of God had also been challenged and was proven wrong as well!

that religion produces nutters proven by the weirdo man at the start lol

but the main thing to take from it is that you can not prove the existence of god (dawkins himself amits it) nor can u prove that he doesnt! so its silly debating it!

"The Root of All Evil?" was not a show about atheism. It examined the danger and unreasonableness of religion. And yes when some guy puts forth claims that are plainly flase then they are rubbish.

Why did you post it then? Obfuscation at it's most obvious.

Yes that would be suffucient evidence all right. But what is wrong with seeking evidence in order to believe in something so fantastical as a God. I guess any idiot can believe in something for which there is evidence but it takes someone really......special to believe in something so unlikely as God.

He made an absolute show of that other guy on the late late show. I'm not surprised you've convined yourself of what you have about him because it's easier to decieve yourself and live in comfertable ignorance then see the plain truth in front of you accept the "painful" truth.

Of course you did because you've no interest in truth, only arguments that back up your beliefs.

Right there's a very simple point you're obviously missing. It not enough to say Stalin was an atheist, he did evil things, therefore atheism is evil. That was Liddle's argument. You not only have to prove Stalin was an atheist (no problem there) but that he did his evil deeds because of his atheism (no evidence for that). In fact his dogmatism with regards to communism had alot more in common with religion and was almost certainly inspried by the time he spent training to be a priest in his college years.

Similarly you can't say so and so was a theist and did evil things therefore theism is evil. You have to prove that a person was a theist and he did his evil deeds in the name of his religion. That happens all the time. Religious faith is an extremely potent force that causes people to kill others. Faith is the problem. No war has ever started because a group look for too much evidence to back up their beliefs.

No it wasn't. There has never been one single scrap of evidence found to cast any doubt on the validity of the theory of evolution by natural selection. Finding one scientist who favours the idea of punctuated equilibrium to natural selection (even though there is no reason to do so) does not destroy the theory, but again Liddle had no interest in presenting an accurate representation of the facts, and gullible fools like you leap in and believe him without question. And accepting evolution does not shoot down the notion of God. The Catholic church accept the theory of evolution as the explanation for how all living things came to exist, and no intellectual theologian would deny it.


Oh man, you're unbelievable. Yes, you can neither prove the existence of God nor disprove it. Big deal. Just because you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence does not mean the likelyhood of it's existence is 50/50, far from it. There are an infinite number of things you can't disprove. Go ahead and try and prove a negative. It can't be done. You can't prove to me the non-existence of The Flying Spagehtti Monster, or Thor, or Zeus, or Mithras, or Poseidon, or Santa, or the Easter Bunny but I'm certain you don't believe in any of those. Why not? Your only justification for believing in God it seems, is the fact it can't be disproven, so by your logic you should believe in every other God man has ever created. What you can do with regards to the God hypothesis is put a probability factor on it.

You're obviously a (pig-ignorant) creationist since you clearly don't accept evolution and the creationists favourite argument is that human beings (or the universe) are far too complex to have just happened, there had to have been a designing intelligence behind it all. Something as complex as us could never have just happened into existence. And actually on that point you are completely right but what you have done is shone the worlds biggest light on the problem of postulating a God as the explanation. God would have to be an extremely complex being, a being of infinite complexity that you believe in, therefore if we minutely complex humans, in comparison to God, could never have just happened into existence, there is no way in hell something as complex as God could have just happened into existence at the start of the universe. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You have explained absolutely nothing by using God as an explanation because you're left with the job of explaining something even more complex then that which you're using God to explain.

So yes, you can't disprove God's existence, just like you can't disprove that all of this life isn't just a computer simulation by some grand alien being, but without any reason at all to suspect such a thing, the only logical, sane and reasonable position is to not accept such lunacy. The probabilty against God's existence is 99.9999(on for infinity)%. If the probability left for God's existence is sufficent for you then go ahead but your belief can only therefore be viewed as delusional.

i dont know if ur just that arrogant or really just wanting to annoy people! i really hope its the latter!

how are u arragant? well the simple statement ur not interested in the truth just things to back up ur belief! so wat ur stating here that my beliefs arnt the truth? just like religious people antesit are closed minded and believe they are right! the point of that whole program was to show how atheism is like religion in a lot of ways and it really is true! lol

i couldnt care less if u belive in god or not but then again u probely dont believe in a thing called love since there is no evidence to support that exists. lol.

as for darwins theory of evoultion being the basis for all athesits i really hope its not because it doesnt prove anything about god in any form to for most religous people it is a very acceptable theroy as you have pointed out but then why do so many people use it against a religioon that accepts it? for everything to be that perfect a build its self up its juts more than the servival of the fittest!

as for richard darkins as with the other interview he seems to avoid any question such as free will (i dont care for it, it doesnt interest me) seems to me her cant find the answer for that anywhere in his science for an answer for it so he will not go into it even thought it is a very big argument in the debate. the point made to him if he were to live by the servial of the fittest why would we find to wrong to kill a child with a defect!

as for saying no1 has ever killed in the name of atheism i find a really stupid argument for the simple fact that there is abut 100,000 religious people to every 1 atheist and even less back in the middle ages. there have been more religious people in power than there have ben athesit the time that there have been atheists in power i point to the incident in france where athesim tried to take over and destroy chrisitanty killing a i think millions of people, and as for stalin who killed 20 million people i will not say that he killed all of them in the name of atheism but you cant convinve me that a very high number of them werent killed because of it.

the problem with atheism and why it is getting bigger is the fact that they are attacking a very divided religion who are more interested in trying to throw eachother of the cliff that they dont see atheism coming from behind and nodging them both off lol!

which is everybody by the looks of things

You beliefs are wrong yes. That's nothing to do with arrogance. A person who believes fairies exist, are wrong, so are you.

And that's what was so wrong about the show. Atheists are not close minded. There's not an atheist alive who would persist in their atheism if it could be proven God exists. You yourself said that nothing could ever change your mind. That's fundementalism and the epitome of close-mindedness. And atheism is not a religion or a belief system. It is a LACK of belief in God(s). There is nothing similar about yet but again, you've shown how you care not for facts but for straw-men arguments with no basis in reality.

Yes LAUGH OUT LOUD indeed but only at the utter stupidity of that comment. Love most certainly can be proved evidentally. Love is an emotion and has a chemical component. Measure a persons brain when they are experiencing love and you will have evidence of it. You also have lots of evidence coming in all the time from somebody who loves you. Looks in eye, a touch, a caring word, specific actions, these are all evidence that a person cares about you. Ever heard of erotomania? It's when an individual believes another person who they've never met is in love with them but of course they are delusional. Of course there is evidence of love you fool.

I'm sorry but I cannot understand the point you're trying to make at the end. Learn english. I think you're trying to say that evolution couldn't have built humans, or any living thing. In which case you are completely wrong and obviously know nothing about natural selection. A proper understanding of Darwinism does preclude the existence of God but humans are very adapt at compartmentalising their mind (it's known as cognitive dissonance) and they find a way to believe two imcompatible things simultaneously. One of the best evolutionary biologists is an american guy called Kenneth Miller who is a devout Christian and the leader of the movement against Intelligent Design and Creationism. You should really read his book "Finding Darwin's God".

Where did he avoid any questions on that program? Free will is a complete non-argument with regards to God, other then the fact that if an omniscent and omnipotent God exists there can be no free will. Free will has nothing to do with whether or not God exists so why should he have interest in it when it comes to God.

Of for goodness sake, you really are a retard. He has said all the time, he is a passionate Darwinist when it comes to the explanation for why we exist but a passionate anti-darwinist when it comes to building a society.

I really don't think it's possible for you to be that stupid intentionally. Go and educate yourself because I just can't be bothered trying to have a discussion with you. That is just beyound stupid. By the way, how did you find out that ratio or theists to atheists. You said it was a fact.

Oh for **** sake. You must have an IQ under 30, you're so ****ing retarded.

lol it is pointless trying to argue with u! u say ur not not closed minded and waiting for someone to show u prove of god which you state cant be shown and any evidence that anyone throws at u is wrong!

like most atheist u believe u are smarter than anyone with believe again showing ur arrogance! its like me asking you show me evidence that he doesnt! there is nothing in the this world that can or cant prove god, except records show the existence of jesus over 2000 years ago. then again the bible had been changed with the time but your only revdience is calling someone stupid for not believeing that!. neither will convince the other!

i also find it stupid wen people say ooo im an athesit since i grew up and starting thinking for myself, staing that anyone who vbelieves in religion doesnt think for themselves! well thank god you are the free race of humans and the rest are slaves the machine!

and explain to how darwinism excludes God? i could argue god started the big band everything that is now came from that!

yeh well there are a few survivors who are actually normal

but who are u 2 judge whos normal?

i am me.. do i need another reason?