The Trouble with Atheism!

Jesus Christ (lol..) Cuchulainn, just do us all a favour - shut up and go read The God Delusion By Mr Dawkins over the holiday and get back to us, you silly little fellow. Your running yourself around in circles and making urself look even more stupid than we all originally thought. And stop with all the exclammation marks for heavens sake (no pun intended..again!)

I agree the program was really reaching in parts, and there were parts that were just plain wrong. And im not talking 'point-of-view wrong'- im talkin plain scientifically-proven wrong.

I do not dismiss the possibility of God.. i do however have a genuine hatred of Relgion and its effects on people. I do not know if i would consider myself an atheist as such, but i firmly support all Darwinian views and evolutionary theory. I am, afterall, in my final honours year studying Zoology at University and have a firm understanding of evolutionary biology and natural selection.


andi

i am reading it and it does not stand up tpo all the hype people are giving it! its all simplistic arguments that have been given time and time again! there is nothing in it that would make me stop believe in god! to be honest there are a lot of gaps in the book that he doesnt explain!

his theory on morality i find very weak! and his 10 commandments wel the program did sum it up!

uh huh. Maybe you should read it when ur 3-4yrs older and can understand the subject more, either that or you are actually just one of those people who believe in something no matter what the case against it is..blind faith is a dangerous thing.

And actually, reading your attempt at a reply there, you once again fail to make any point and actually shoot yourself in the foot. The fact that Dawkin et als arguements are 'simplistic' is the whole point, and the fact that they have been given 'time and time again' over the years and across the literature should also tell you something.
You must be kidding. If you have actually read the book, your telling me theres not ONE thing that made you think twice? that IS a bit disturbing that you think so. Even very simple questions that are asked such as, if 'x' amounts of relgions across the world all worship their own God who supposeadly did this and did that etc, they cant all be right can they? And who are you to discount another relgions god?

I worry about people like you, i really do!

Yes, so? What has this got to do with the existence of God?

andi

my faith is not blind! iv just read more things and see things that make me believe there is a god instead of believing the god delusion. he does make strong cases but there are arguments against all of his points. its a matter of which side u belive.

i dont mean that his threoy is simplistc ofm course it isnt but it doesnt put God out of the equation. if it then the RCC would have taken it on as believeable yet they have. from wat i have read of it is very compatable with the notion of God.

actually if u look at the 3 biggest religions in the world islam, christianty and jews they all worship the same God. they all just have their different versions on him.





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If proof could be found, such as a genuine miracle or God himself showing himself then I would immediately admit I am wrong and believe in God. That's open mindedness.

I don't believe that for a second. I've met alot of believers in God who are far smarter then me, in many respects.

I can provide you with lots of evidence that explains the scientific questions God is used to answer which as a result removes the necessity of God. And even if Jesus existed, that doesn't for a second imply God exists.

Most people who are religious can be said not to think for themselves when it comes to God because inveriably they share the religion of their parents. They are indoctrinated as children when their brains are programmed to believe everything they're told. Why are you not a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Scientologist, or a Jainist. Because you were born into a Catholic family and brainwashed to believe it's the only true religion.

You could argue that but it would be an empty argument devoid of all reason, logic and evidence. I have already explained this which leads me to believe, along with what you have said regarding The God Delusion (if you've even read it which I don't believe for a second you have) that any argument that is put forth which challenges your beliefs, you automatically dismiss it without a second of thought, which is pathetic but sadly quite a common psychological trait in humans.

Anyway, Darwinism tells us that complexity arises out of simplicity, over a massive period of time. Something like a human being can't just happen into existence at random. That's equivelant to saying that a hurricane blowing through a scrap yard could just happen to construct a full functioning 747 jumbo jet by chance. God therefore becomes "The Ultimate 747". Something as complex as a God could never just happen into existence; no way, no chance. The fact that in nature complex things arise out of simpler things (evolution by natural selection - darwinism) means there is absolutely no room for a supremely complex being just coming into existence on it's own before the universe began. Darwinism does not allow it. There most probably are beings in existence on other planets elsewhere in the universe who are so complex that to us they would be God-like. But they still wouldn't be God because they too would have come about through an extremely slow, gradual process of evolution. They wouldn't have just magically happened into existence.

If I were you I'd give up Butters. You'd have more luck talking to a brick wall.

lol i really hope darkins doesnt come on the site the plagerism out of his book as well as from his interviews is out of this world!

Plagiarism would be if we took his work and published it ourselves. Para-phrasing it on a message board is perfectly fine, and presumably the very fact that he would publish a book like that would suggest he wants it to be discussed anyway.

I'm a tryer!

No, you're right though, I know there's nothing that can be said that would get through to a "dyed-in-the-wool faith head" like him but I just want to show him that there is an answer to his question and his reasons for believing in God are not valid and justified. Also there could another person reading the thread who thinks like him but is alot more sensible and if they get the message then that's great.

It's getting like a re-run of that other thread isn't it? *Shudders*

yea i know that but if i took words say from a big selling catholic book and put it on here id be accused of being brain-washed yet if i were to do it to u people it would be the futherest thing from!