[VIERI]

Originally Posted by Karima

I don't care if France lost or not, this is not the point here. We are discussing Materazzi's attitude which is undefendable. And no, I've never said Zidane was a victim, but Materazzi isn't to be praised either.

ohh please poor zidane do you know in every single football game players insult eache other it has always been like this and it will continue to be...
do you realy think that zidane has never insulted anyone before come on...
so before you say anything inform yourself first and i remember you again that zidane isn't new with this kind of violence...

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Karima

A racist insult is a form of violence, despite what you think. Verbal violence to be exact, and in that particular context, it is more serious than you think.

You know you could die because of a hit to your breastbone, don't you ?

[ponrauil]

Originally Posted by Proteus

No, I still don't care. We won on the field, that's it, there's nothing you can do about it.

You won in the penalty area, not on the field
Trézéguet hit the bar because Italy payed him anyway, isn't that how it works with you guys?

No, I can't do anything, you've lifted the cup, I don't want to do anything either. I'm not even that disappointed with losing as our team played a good game and gave it all.
But when FIFA will carry out the investigation they've announced, they'll want to know what Materazzi said, and if he did say anything racist, they might pull that Article 55 out of their sleeve.

Originally Posted by Proteus

BTW, from what I can see he doesn't say anything about "terrorism", you can check yourself since the word in Italy it's almost the same as it is in English.

I know, I can't see that word being said either. But it's not the only racist word in Materazzi's vocabulary I'm sure. All I can read is the "va fanculo" in the end. What's clear is that Zidane was just on about Materazzi pulling his shirt and was ready to leave it there before the mysterious insult made him lose his temper.

To Vieri, Zidane has not done THAT before, he's had bad reactions following hard tackles on him, but nothing as violent as that, and nothing that no other player would ever do or has ever done. I'm also sure you would have loved to have such a "loser" in your team for the past 11 years.


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[VanJovi]

Originally Posted by ponrauil

Here's a part of Art. 55 of FIFA Disciplinary Code :

The new provision in par. 4 stipulates that if any player, official or spectator behaving in a discriminatory or contemptuous manner can be attributed to a certain team, three points will automatically be deducted from that team for the first offence. In the case of a second offence, six points will be deducted, and after a further offence, the team will be relegated. In the case of matches played without points being awarded, the team in question will be disqualified.

Thanks for posting this Ponrauil. Actually I've been thinking about this since last Sunday. I didn't know if there was anything legal, but I have been wondering if FIFA could take any actions against Materazzi depending on what the result of all this is.

I read and heard that apparently Zidane may say at the end of this week what Materazzi told him. Materazzi already confirmed he insulted Zidane, he didn't want to say which words he used. Interesting.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by ponrauil

No, I can't do anything, you've lifted the cup, I don't want to do anything either. I'm not even that disappointed with losing as our team played a good game and gave it all.
But when FIFA will carry out the investigation they've announced, they'll want to know what Materazzi said, and if he did say anything racist, they might pull that Article 55 out of their sleeve.

You may be right since FIFA is ruled by Blatter and Platini.

Originally Posted by ponrauil

To Vieri, Zidane has not done THAT before, he's had bad reactions following hard tackles on him, but nothing as violent as that, and nothing that no other player would ever do or has ever done.

It seems Zizou doesn't use his head to think.

[ponrauil]

Thanks for the pic Proteus, you can see clearly from the player in red's head position that it's nowhere near as violent as the headbutt on Materazzi, and that it was after a tackle.

My point exactly.


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[Proteus]

Originally Posted by ponrauil

Thanks for the pic Proteus, you can see clearly from the player in red's head position that it's nowhere near as violent as the headbutt on Materazzi, and that it was after a tackle.

Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss.

[ponrauil]

Originally Posted by Proteus

You may be right since FIFA is ruled by Blatter and Platini.

Blatter isn't French and Platini has nothing to do with FIFA's disciplinary decisions.


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[Proteus]

Originally Posted by ponrauil

Blatter isn't French and Platini has nothing to do with FIFA's disciplinary decisions.

I know Blatter is swiss but its politics are well known and the fact that Platini has nothing to do with FIFA's disciplinary decisions doesn't mean he can't influence them.
The man didn't know Grosso, now I think he knows him.

[ponrauil]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss.

Indeed :




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