to all my "friends"

I don't actually think this has jack shit to do with anyone except Kev and Sara and maybe anyone else involved with London.

and if Kev says k lets stop this arguing and Sara says the same, why are people still posting negative comments?

My thoughts exactly. Kev and Sara both tried to end this so I think we should abide by their wishes. Obviously, there is more to this story on both sides, so who are we to pass judgement anyway.

Sara, I am sorry to see you go and best of luck to you.

Thanks Jim And Mouse. I would just like to add this...actually its a quote from Carli to PROVE that Sara actually had no intentions of attending london. Please read this. Its a prime example of us knowing Sara wouldnt come and hence my angry reaction.

I hope this clears things up from my perspective and hopefully you will see why I shouldnt be branded the bad guy in all this. My reaction was angry. But I think it was justified. Now try and tell me Sara really wanted to attend this london trip. What a load of rubbish. I especially like these quotes

I think that says it all
Thank you

Ow dear, it's hard to take a break from here !!! Things get messed up quite some time !!!

Now, first of all i wanna say to Sara that i really hope she doesn't feel attacked by all of us ... I know kev reacted a bit over the top but girl, the guy doesn't hate you and no one does here !!!!! I'm sad indeed that you won't make it and won't be able to have fun with us, I should have said that in the first place ... I'm sorry if i did't make that clear ... What was said, was said and we can't take those things back. But it's worth the try to explain yourself and perhaps say you're sorry if that wasn't clear already, which I am doing now ...

I also wanna say to Sara that everybody here gets into trouble (or almost everybody and many people here have been attacked ... that really isn't a reason for leaving ... that's how it goes in real life, and how it goes on message boards like this ... so hope you change your mind!!!

Now to Kev... It was a good thing for you to say you were going to end it and i think that was the smartest thing to do !! BUT then try to do it aswell !! Your last post is getting things up again and that perhaps wasn't that smart ...

To everybody else who is getting involved or did get involved ... I aprreciate your concernes and advices with this trip ... As I said in the London-tread ... I reallllly can't understand why there are so many comments on this trip, like it's the worst thing you can do!! ... However, we got good and nice comments already too and i thank those people for their concerns and interest ... People who gave bad comments (in a polite way of course), are thanked as well ... good build up critics (or however you say it) don't hurt anyone ...

SO : conclusion ... We ARE going to London and I do hope that when we get back people won't spoil it again by saying all their laughs and stupid comments about it ...Wether you like it or not, pics will be posted, reviews will be posted ... many people do are interested and that's what we will do...

So ...that was it for now!

I second that. As I said at the end of my post we've sorted things out now. I guess what I objected to was us looking like the bad guys when people didnt see the "full picture". No hard feelings and I hope you stick around.

Ditto. I dont want Sara to leave either. As Carli said, we just didnt want to look like the bad guys and I hope our last few posts have made people who are 'not involved' in the meeting, now see it from our point of view.

However its all in the past now and As i said last night, I just want to look forward to the trip and look forward in life and not look back on this matter. I think that would be best for everyone.

I hope that everything is solved here.
It is always better to have 'forgive and forget 'Policy. And everyone should be careful what they post or say.

So guys have fun in London and let us know how it all went there.

Yes that is it exactly

as far as i understand nobody lost any money whatsoever, and since it is just a hostel i'm guessing between all of you that are going it wouldn't even be that much money extra per person if you split the costs, plus she offered to pay. Shame speedygonzales blabs straight away.

Well then the usual lesson applies: Don't put it on a public message board and make little comments everywhere possible.

By the way Kev your 'detective skills' are pretty poor also and there is nothing in those quotes from Carli that "PROVE"s that Sara had no intentions of ever going to London. That is just the way you have chosen to read them. If I remember correctly also there was a time when a lot of you were feeling quite pressured to go to London because of all the planning in advance.

Being vague doesn't mean she never had any intentions of going. I'm sure if she never had ANY then she would have said from the start or from an earlier stage.

Vallie is right - one second you say you're going to end it and then the next your quoting left right and centre to show Sara up.

move on is a good idea

Why would I be jealous of a meeting where I've even met half the people who are going already? I don't get jealous about meeting people. Almost everytime I have gone out in Finland there have been more "jovitalkers" if you will together than there will be in London but I certainly don't consider it a jovitalk meeting. It's been a long time since i even spoke about bon jovi with those people. Just tomorrow I'm going to Holland to meet up with some friends.

But oh no, I'm in denial that I won't be able to meet up with a load of English people in a town I go to pretty often anyway. That's what it is. Dawn and Kev you should both be lawyers, or psychologists.

You shouldn't defend yourself Tom, just let them talk. I am sure we'll have more fun than the people in London.