Tom Cruise

I didn't say it's alright, I said it's no more ludicrous then the notion that "God" exists, and he was the one who created the universe and man and all that sh*t when science has already given us the answers for those questions. Anybody who turns to religion and lives their life to somebody else's rules is obviously laking something in their own lives because if they weren't, they'd be able to stand on their own two feet and not need the "crutch" that religion is. I certainly don't have a problem with anybody who subscribes to any religion be it catholisism, judaism, hinduism or scientology, if it makes their lives better and enables them to help others, then great. Regardless of the crap that scientology started out as, what the apparently help people to do now is excellent. Similarly, despite the crap that Christinanity started out as, that religion helps alot of people. On the other side of the coin, alot of peoples lives have been ruined by both, certainly vastly more by the acceptible Christianty cult. I don't judge a person by what religion they subscribe to and as I said, yeah I think Tom's a little delusional to put his faith in Scientology but then again I think those who put their faith in more conventional cults such as Catholisism are just as delusional but whatever, it's just one of those things that you accept, it dosen't change how I think of a person one bit and I certainly don't lose any sleep over it.


Phil

I haven't seen a person getting killed by his fellow Christians in the name of "cureing" him for a while. Scientology has caused a few deaths in the last few years. I wouldn't call that "helping" people. Yes, Christianity has gotten people killed as well, but not as directly as Scientology does. And I can understand why people would believe the Bible, after all, there are evidence that these people have lived sometime, but to believe that aliens came to earth and infected us all with a deadly virus is just a little too wacko for me.

I don't give a **** about what religion people are into, but once others start getting hurt, it's not healthy. Just think what will happen to Katie Holmes once the Scientologists decide she needs "saving".

Ice

Katie Holmes is hot, it's just a shame.

Is that what scientology is, aliens infected us....... I didnt know that..... I thought it was based on science and christianity mixed....

Dawn

I've never seen any evidence that scientology has anything to do with aliens, I think that's a myth invented by people to disparage scientology. They talked about this on the radio here in Ireland not too long ago and there was absolutely no mention of that.

Please! I was watching a political TV program last night called "Newsnight" and they were investigating a place in Africa where kids are put into a facility because it's believed they are evil and have been infected by witches. The priests take the kids away from their parents, chain them up by their ankels and if they're not cured, they're executed.

The catholic church, the last pope and this new pope are directly responsible for the daths of tens of millions of people in Africa from AIDS and HIV because of their ludicrous and dangerous teachings on the use of contraceptives. That's pretty darn serious and vastly outways any of the bad things about scientology (of which I'm sure there are many).

Yes but the Old Testament was written thousands of years before Jesus was born by a group of Jewish leaders as proaganda. The new Testament was written about 2 or 3 hundred years after Jesus died by people who weren't even born when Jesus was alive. Then you have to ask yourself why the Church deem the Books of Apocrapha not worthy enough to have made it into the bible. Might it be because it showed a side of the man they didn't like? Such as the gosple according to Mary Magdelene which proves she wasn't a prostitute but actually Jesus' wife and they had kids. Take a look at the paintings and models of the last supper and it's clear there are two women there, one of whom is Mary Magdelene. How can believe in something as ridiculous as that book.

I completely agree and even though religion can help alot of people, it dose far more harm then good and that's my main gripe with it. But hey, what ya gonna do........


Phil

That's the whole idea of Scientology. They don't want to advertise it to "normal" people, because it's so far out there. That's one of the reasons that Cruise's been starring in these sci-fi movies. Ever heard of Battlefield Earth? All about Scientology. Read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciento..._Xenu_incident

I should've added "in the western civilization". Yes, there are horrible things done in the names of all religions, but Scientology is the only one practicing these things in the "civilized world".

I never said anything to deny that. I think Catholism should be destroyed. As to Scientology, they're hurting the lives of thousands and takin gmoney from people. Not as bad, but even one dead because of a religion is too much. And anyone who condones that (Cruise, for example) does not deserve any admiration.


I never said the Bible was true, I said the people mentioned in it have actually lived. There's proof of people like Jesus and his disciples living in that area a few thousand years ago. There are no proofs about aliens coming down here and releasing parasites.

Ice

Yeah whatever. I'm not about to get into a back-and-forth about religion. People are going to think and believe whatever they want to, regardless of what the truth the may be, so why bother.

If people don't know about something they should go and find out what it's about for themselves rather then believing what they hear in the media.


Phil

Bakc-and-forth? You're really missing the picture here. I agree with what you're saying about religion, but you're wrong when it comes to Scientology. That's why I'm giving you links to respected sites that tell you what it really is. And if you still think, after reading those, that Scientology is a harmless cult, then so be it.

Because religion is a powerful thing. People get caught up in it easily, but it's really hard to get away. Ever heard what the Jehova's Witnesses do to people who leave their religion?

Exactly, but not many do. Seems like you're one of the who don't either, since you dismiss all the stuff I've shown you.

Ice

I love narcissists.

Scientology has nothing to do with aliens or anything that you mentioned above. It was created in the 50's or 60's by a guy called L. Ron Hubbard who wrote a book called "Dianetics" which is widely regarded as the first book to have unlocked the secrets of the human mind, couldn't tell you though, I haven't read it.

That's where the religion comes from, it's a mix of western religion and physcology. What you mention above about Volcano spirits and alien viruses comes from science-fiction books he wrote that have nothing to do with the religion. Yes, they believe just like Christians that a person is inhabited by a soul, they also believe in God and they believe through the practices that Hubbard wrote about in his book that people can learn techniques to help them over come physcological ilnesses without resorting to dangerous medication, realise how good their lives can be, help those around them become happier and learn the tools that will help them avoid depression.

This according to their site is the aims of Scientology:

Scientology Aims:
A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology. — L. Ron Hubbard

Look, I knew nothing about Scientology up until a couple of weeks ago when I satarted hearing all these weird things about it so I thought I'd go and find out for myself and low and behold, all the crazy things I heard in the media and what you are sprouting have nothing in the slightest to do with it, rather they are the invention of people who obviously fear what they don't know and want to bring it down.

At the end of the day, I could care less what Scientologists believe and I could care less what Catholics believe, they're both as ridiculous as each other, at least scientology aims to give people practical tools to help them in their daily life. Also, I don't for a second believe they don't have a dark side or an alterier motive, no cult/religion in the world is pure. Cults are a way of controlling people and taking their money, look at the Catholic Church's own state, The Vatican City- the wealthiest state in the world.


Phil