Tony Martin To Stand As MP (Possibly...)

And do YOU want to try to scare off a burglar with a belt? That's nuts. That'd just put you in danger from the burglar. Now instead of him taking your VCR or whatever, there's a chance he could take your life. Bad trade.

Actually, if everyone shot at burglars, the world would be a better place. Here in the US, a prison poll of theives show that they spend twice as long in watching and investigating their target BEFORE they even go in than their British criminal counterparts. Also, the US has one of the world's lowest rates of "hot burglaries" (burglaries committed while the occupant is in the building) at 13 percent, while gun-free Britian has a "hot burglary rate of 59 percent. A prison poll says the number one reason US theives spend longer investigating their target is the fact that they don't want to get shot at.

Adrian

exactly it was stupid but i just got up and grabbed the closest thign to me and i reckoned if it was anyone it weould be some drugged up gimp from the scheme that i could smash senseless.

Now had it actually been someone breakign in and i had a gun it would have been a completely different story. he'd get seconds to get the **** out of the door and if he didn't i would fire and i say that with all honesty.

Actually Jim, that first paragraph wasn't directed at you, it was directed at Mad4Jovi, who for some reason thinks that a violent criminal should be reasoned with or beaten up (try explaining excessive force to a homicidal crook). Given the time it takes police to respond to an armed intruder call these days, one can only hope Mad4Jovi doesn't have a run-in with a criminal intent on doing them harm.

Adrian

The problem with this case is that Martin was lying in wait for them & shot him in the back when they weren't walking towards his house. Hence the argument of self defence wasn't successful in court.

Unfortunately it is stepping dangerously into the area of vigilante which starts up a whole new argument.

yeah i know i was just agreeing with u and answering her.

do u know about this story?

if nmot. this guy lived himself in an old farmhouse in a pretty secluded area. his house had been broke into several times and the police refused to do anythign about it.

one night 2 gypsy bastards broke into his house and having had enough he grabbed a shotgun and done what should be done in that situation.

one of them was a 17 year old boy and he died as a result and martin got sent to jailf or murder and served his full sentence cos he refused to apologise and they saw that as not havign remorse.

alot was made of the fact that it was " a boy" but the way i see it. if ur old enough to break into houses ur olkd enough to face the consequences.

the other dirty bastard was actually tryign to sue martin after he was released because of his injuries sustained and was looking pretty set to get compensation until The Sun newspaper followed him and caught him riding a bike when he was claiming he couldnt walk or work.

coming from a guy who'd literally never done an honest day;s work in his life i find that pretty ironic and the only thing martin should regret is that he didn;t kill the other bastard too.

Mike you don't get vigilante's for no reason at all.

But I don't think it'll ever be accepted by the establishment.

It won't but when people have no choice then it'll happen.

What would you have done had you been in the exact situation tony was in?

Lying in wait...what's the problem with that? If someone breaks into my house, it shouldn't matter if I'm waiting for them or not. They criminally entered my house and I don't know if they intend on doing me harm or not (like that should matter, they BROKE in). I have every right (well, natural rights anyway) to defend myself in any manner I deem suitable. If that includes killing that intruder, well too bad, they shouldn'tve tried to come into my house in the first place. If Tony Martin shot someone who broke into his house, he should be given a medal not a jail sentence. Like I said before, only in a country where people don't have any rights is it considered ok for people to be jailed for defending themselves.

As for vigilante-ism, vigilantes are people who walk the streets and kill criminals without being threatened by them. Their actions are not lawful, unlike a man who kills an intruder in his home.

Adrian

Taped their actions I guess....

If Tony was in a life threatening situation, or even a confrontational one he wouldn't have gotten into so much trouble. & while we'd all like to line burglars up against a wall & take it in turns with a baseball bat, i.e. take the law into our own hands - it all starts getting out of hand.