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Old 02-26-2003, 11:14 PM
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One comment. I am not the biggest fan of George Bush, but he did not cause all of this. Take a good hard look at the Clinton administration. This entire "crisis" didn't just happen. It has been brewing for quite awhile. This "failure" does not rest on the shoulders of Bush alone. He walked into it and now has to deal with the fact that Clinton was no "winner" either.
i haven't said that clinton was a winner- but big parts of the bush-campaign based on the promise that he will push american economy which he obviously didn't- that's failure in my eyes
I could understand that.

As far a politicians in general go, I feel that they are all corrupt and out for themselves. This is the same in all parts of the world. The politicians are who will eventually lead to the demise of the world as we know it. Power and greed are what lead the politicians of today in any country. Quite depressing actually.
Generalisation eh....

Not every country is like the US, where political campaigns are referred to as how much they will cost for a victory.
Not a generalization...truth. Once you are powerful, you always want more power. Once you are rich, you always want more money. Not a generalization, but human nature. Once you obtain a position of "status", you will do whatever it takes to keep yourself there.
So in EVERY country in the world, the only reason why the leader became so is because he/she was greedy and power hungry?

That is the best you can do?? Hee hee. Won't dignify that one with an answer. You are really slacking off.
It is a question based on what you said. Have you realised that what you said is complete rubbish? Is that why you refuse to answer my question? By posting what you did it would seem so.

I will ask again, so in EVERY country in the world, the only reason why the leader became so is because he/she was greedy and power hungry?

It is a perfectly legitimate question, and you refusing to answer just confirms that you didn't think before you wrote what you did.
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Old 02-27-2003, 01:30 AM
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I will ask again, so in EVERY country in the world, the only reason why the leader became so is because he/she was greedy and power hungry?

Okay KRB. Let me explain it to you since you are too thick to get it. I never said that the only reason why a leader becomes so is because he/she is greedy and power hungry. Again, you are interpreting it the way you would like to see it. You see though, that is what you think you are so good at. Taking what is said, twisting it around to suit yourself. I suppose it makes up for that fact that you are not a very good debater. That is why I am done. Not because I can't explain myself, but no matter what I say, you will find a way to make it right for you. This conversation keeps going round and round in the same circle. How many times can you say something without really saying anything? YOU would know the answer to that one.
Madness is right. Anyone can read, taking the info. and doing something with it is what counts.
Try it KRB. It is good advice.
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Old 02-27-2003, 01:42 AM
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As far a politicians in general go, I feel that they are all corrupt and out for themselves. This is the same in all parts of the world
Save you insults for someone who insulted you first, it just shows lack of understanding and knowledge in the subject at hand, by trying to change the subject.

So every politician in every country is corrupt?
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:36 AM
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So every politician in every country is corrupt?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that wasn't, and even then they were probably just really good at covering their tracks anyway.
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Old 02-27-2003, 02:55 AM
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Um, I didn't write this, an American living in Europe did.


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1) Most Europeans are completely unaware of how threatened Americans feel, and they have not realized how seriously we take the viscous language of Osama bin Laden and other Wahabbists against us. They are not aware, either, of the venomous content of Islamist sermons against America that have been spewing from the mouths of imams and mullahs for years.
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I think that's because first they were supported by the US gov't and then they were told to **** off. good strategy by the US gov't i must say.
It's not much better than Germany's current stance regarding Iraq, is it? Or is that ok so long as your oil deals with Saddam aren't in jeopardy?

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2) Most Europeans cannot conceive how traumatic 9/11 was to us. Many of them expected us to "get over it" by now and see us as wallowing in self-pity and prone to paranoia and childish temper tantrums now.
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Because the USA is the only country we hear complaining more than any other. that's not meant to put you down, i would feel the same way in your situation, it's just that we (and you) don't see so much about all the people suffering in other countries of the world. damn media propaganda.
Complaining about what? That we were invaded and thousands of our citizens killed?

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3) Many Europeans do not believe America is really at war. They think the phrase "War on Terrorism" is figurative language. They often even put it in quotation marks.
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oh really? so there are all those peace protests against war on terrorism because we don't believe you are at war? that makes sense
Um, weren't those protests over Iraq?

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7) Many Europeans are very cynical about the integrity of their own politicians and they look at our leaders through those same, jaded eyes. They don't hold their own politicians to very high moral and ethical standards so they don't seem able to believe we do. This is evident in their skepticism of Colin Powell's presentation at the UN.
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oh. i'm sorry. i never realised your politicians were better than ours.
You have a known terrorist holding office in your country. I think that speaks for itself.

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9) Many Europeans don't seem to realize how dangerous chemical and biological weapons are in the hands of men like Saddam. They don't see him as a threat to their security (or anyone else's, except maybe Israel's, whom they don't like anyway). They aren't afraid of him, so they don't want to pay the price of disarming him. They seem to think the Bush administration is simply using scare tactics to raise support for its "imperialist aggression" against Iraq. (Can you say "asleep at the wheel" boys and girls?)
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where did they get those weapons from again? oh, that's right. the USA gave it to them (or financed them).
And where are they getting the money to keep on making WMD? Oh, that's right, from Germany, France and Russia.


So it seems that the request for 'more time' is full of shit. They found the weapons, and he refused to destroy them. What is the point of 'more time'? No one is taking your country seriously anymore, do you know that? You are advocating to keep Saddam in power. If you care so much about people who suffer in the world, why would you be in favor of that? He's killed and tortured over a million Iraquis throughout the course of his dictatorship. What are you fighting against? You make no sense
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Old 02-27-2003, 03:26 AM
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So every politician in every country is corrupt?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that wasn't, and even then they were probably just really good at covering their tracks anyway.
WTF is wrong with you Americans? You honestly think that EVERY politician in the world is corrupt? I pity you.
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So every politician in every country is corrupt?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that wasn't, and even then they were probably just really good at covering their tracks anyway.
WTF is wrong with you Americans? You honestly think that EVERY politician in the world is corrupt? I pity you.
Do you have a name of one that isn't? Oh, probably some low ranking politician has a clean record, but what about the highest ranking leaders?


ps Don't waste your pity on us. You should pity yourself.
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Old 02-27-2003, 03:44 AM
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So every politician in every country is corrupt?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that wasn't, and even then they were probably just really good at covering their tracks anyway.
WTF is wrong with you Americans? You honestly think that EVERY politician in the world is corrupt? I pity you.
Do you have a name of one that isn't? Oh, probably some low ranking politician has a clean record, but what about the highest ranking leaders?


ps Don't waste your pity on us. You should pity yourself.
Apolitician is a politician no matter what their rank is. You said that every politician in the world is corrupt. I don't wish to argue with a simpleton.
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Old 02-27-2003, 04:15 AM
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Apolitician is a politician no matter what their rank is. You said that every politician in the world is corrupt. I don't wish to argue with a simpleton.

oh, krb, you've gone too far this time. A knife in my heart. A simpleton? Can't you do better than that, or is that all you could come up with instead of a name? A politician is a politician is a politician. What their rank is *does* figure into your question...unless a simpleton classifies them all as the same.
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Save you insults for someone who insulted you first, it just shows lack of understanding and knowledge in the subject at hand, by trying to change the subject.



Hee hee. Right back at you my impressionable "friend." :P This coming from the KING of changing the subject. You amuse me more each day.
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