UN Headquarters in Iraq bombed...

Unfortunately, it's one time that - I told you so - is not very satisfying. I was very opposed to this war and this is one of the consequenses. Every angry Muslim in the mid-east now has a common enemy to hate and to target. It's a scary thought.

Kathleen

Yes, that´s true. I´m afraid of the future, when fanatic muslim will begin to explote in Europe, as in Israel.

Just my thoughts

Muslims have always hated us, they didn't need us invading Iraq as an excuse.

anyways it's a no win situation. alot of our trouble is because the US and UK try to help other people out and they get slated but on the other hand if we stood by every case and just let it happen we'd get slated too.

i shudder to think what'll happen if and when a major conflict breaks out. in both world wars my great grandfather lied about his age A; because he was too young in the 1st one and B cos he was too old in the second, as did many of his friends and commrades.

if needed i'd definetely sign up but i can't imagine many people sharing my sentiments these days

Mike, you're right. Iraq would be such a better place if Saddam was still in power. Just ask the thousands who are still alive who might otherwise have been tortured to death by now.

Well, since I haven't been posting here long...I'll wade into this one gently for now.

This is an un-win-able argument. There will always be those who see war as an unjust solution, and would rather have left Iraq and Saddam alone to get on with whatever they were doing. If that meant that one day in the future he had access to powerful weapons, fine...or that's how I read their argument.
Then there are those who feel that we should do something to stop people like Saddam. There are only so many times the UN can say 'stop...please' whilst Saddam sticks his fingers up before you have to take some action. The predicted massacre of thousands of Iraqi's didn't happen. It was a swift, successful war. OK, so there are those in Iraq who are fighting back...but that was bound to happen. As far as I'm aware, the goal of invading Iraq was not to 'stop' terroism...that's pretty much impossible. There were many reasons, some that we can all understand, and some that most will find un-acceptable. When you add ALL the reasons up, I think it was the right choice overall.

bang on soho.

lets use an analogy here.

u have a small child. it wants a toy, u say no and it starts crying till it gets it's toy. then it wants a bigger toy. u say no and it starts crying and gets it, the child now knows what it can get away with and will abuse that fact.

if u keep letting people like him away with stuff "because it's none of our business" they're going to get bolder and bolder and sooner or later they're going to do something big.

the UN kept letting saddam get his own way and it took the US and UK to stop him. now look at the fact that he had the UN under his thumba nd they agreed with pretty much everything he said, and the fact that his followers are now bombing the UN.

doesn't make much sense does it?

Fack! I was sure you were talking about Bush. And all this about UN under his thumb - it's US government!

Soft targets all over. First the US troops shoot some Reuters reporters. Too hard to separate rocket launcher and a camera? I thought they were trained.. Then the resistance tries to cut the help to civilians. Incredibly horrible act.

But the problems... those who rebuild, some companies, also have the permission to drill oil -> bad!

About dictators: there's plenty of them left. You don't need to go far: can find one in Belarus. But there's nothing you're gonna do about them.

Spain Sambora: I'm more afraid of this embassador of God, our good, liberal, free Christian God. Mister George W. Bush. He has already started to invade. You think they are worried in Iran/Libya etc?

Jovi2003:
Yes, much better to be exploited by you. A shame it's so expensive in the beginning.

Kill civvies with a truck bomb its terrorism, kill 'em with a cluster bomb from 10,000 feet its war. That's a load of crap. Killing civilians is murder, no matter how you do it, no matter who does it. A marine "accidentally" shooting an angry demonstrator who threw a rock at him isn't any less of a butcher or a coward than the guy who runs his truck into the US embassy.

Yes, Iraq would be a better place under Saddam than Bush, Tommy Franks, or whover the crank is that's running it at the moment. I know some of you will consider this blasphemy, oh well. Sure, Iraq under Saddam and his sons was a toilet, one of the worst places on earth. Won't dispute it. To "free" them, we killed at least 10,000 civilians, almost certainly more, since not only will the US invasion force not own up to its own mistakes, but the bodies are quickly buried, under Islamic custom. Add to that at least 20,000 disabling injuries to the civilian population, which is probably a relatively low figure. Not only that, but we knocked out power and running water to a good chunk of the country. Think about that! We complain if we get a few days over 90F! They live in the 100s just about every dang day! And in a lot of places, they're going on 5 months without power! Under Saddam, they had some way to keep cool, they had what water lines we hadn't damaged in our first vicious bombing, and death and destruction wasn't raining from the skies. The people weren't being shot trying to drive through checkpoints in their own country. We just replaced Saddam. He hasn't left. His oppression is still there, and will remain till the last American soldier leaves. Only the names have changed. Sure, Saddam and his sons killed a lot of people. Who the heck are we to determine that someone in their own country can't do what they dang well please!? We have the death penalty, but I don't see invading armies from non-death-penalty countries sweeping down our streets to rid us of our oppressive government. Every country has things about it that suck. We need to get over it. We should redirect our homicidal attention towards our problems with crime, if we need to sate our bloodlust. A childmolester is wandering my city right now, police can't find him, and are advising all citizens to been on the look out. He's a heck of a lot bigger threat to the populace than some guy in his own country who lacks even the technology to feed all his own people, much less strike our country.

Adrian

yeah saddam never left

i can see soldiers just now lining up civilians by there thousands for target practice.

if ur a soldier and someone won't stop when u ask them to u pretty quickly get to thinking that they're going to pull something. i'd rather pull a trigger and be safe than take the chance and end up dead. you or them? not many people will choose the latter.

I read a funny quote in the Daily Mail a while back:

'Concerning the boy who had his arms blown off - he is treated as well as anybody alse in the hospital that is caring for him. & yet the muslim world still has a reason to hate us'

My response to the person that wrote that quote would have been: 'It was us who blew it off in the first place'

To Spain Sambora: Hamas versus Jews way is bad.... so - should Palestine stand back & let Israel take more & more of the disputed land to be theirs?? Just because Israel r fighting it with tanks, doesn't make them any more just.

To Jovi2003: The majority of the murder etc.... occured to the uprising encouraged by us at the end of the last war. Thats the only time chemical weapons were used.

But Soho makes the point about only so many times UN can say: please stop.... Please stop what exactly?? Please don't say WMD - as despite 'knowing' they had weapons... despite 'knowing' where they were & despite assuming that he was clearly developing some weaopns solely to use against us.... (hey - we have weapons - but they r to defend ourselves'.... we have found Sod all!!

So - where exactly has that crossed into putting thousands of innocent lives at risk (Adrian makes a good point - these ppl r dead, no matter how they got killed)... of Inciting further Western resentment & thus increasing the terrorist threat???? We invade someone - & then call them animals when the inevitable consequences occur.

Sure these terrorists r scum... they r beyond reproach... but so r the ppl that encouraged it for seemingly no good reason.

America was without electricity for a few days last week.... thats been Iraq the past few months... in temperatures of up to 57C. If we so concerned about the welfare of the Iraqi ppl, we'd have constructed an after war plan that went beyond protecting Oil fields (who cares about the hospitals), & handing out extortionate rebuilding contracts to our own ppl (I say own - UK didn't get many).

& about Ignoring Saddam... the sanctions were working very nicely. & surely it would have made this whole situation alot rosier if the US had taken their fingers off the trigger, waited until the weapons were found (or planted - as it now seems there r none) & gone into it with world support - seeing as they had 'justified' it.?

Sorry - this is long, but concerning one of Soho's points about this war not being about stopping terrorism.... thats what many of the AMericans I spoke to were sold the war on & thats what they believed.

What was all this orange alert... airports being closed nonsense really all about??