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Old 09-24-2007, 02:28 PM
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as opposed to the USA who actually have nuclear weapons?
The difference being the liklihood of either nation using them. Despite the nutbags who have some power in the US, they almost certainly will never use another nuclear bomb again, certainly not to attack another country anyway. It's possible they could drop one if they are attacked but even then I wouldn't see it happenning. The difference is the Iranians want one not for defensive purposes but have explicitly said they want one for offensive purposes, namely wiping Israel out of existence. This sort of rhetoric indicates a much higher likelihood of them using a nuke for offensive purposes then America.

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who actually are in a state of war just now?.
Do you really, honestly think America is likely to use a nuclear bomb, save for say some unprovoked nuclear attack on them, and even if that were to happen do think it's likely to happen? You're obviously a very smart guy so I just can't see how you could rationally say yes to that.

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state sponsors of terrorism? america invented that game. it's their state sponsored terrorism that has allowed iran to have such a regime.....
Fair point I grant you. Of course America's past support of shockingly bad regimes are not really equivalent to Iran's sponsorship of Hezbollah.

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and the god squad are in charge of the US too. don't think idiot politicians full of bullshit religious dogma is confined to the islamic world. god even talks to bush.
Trust me I know however America unlike any other country has a constitutional seperation of church and state. This will prevent it ever becoming a theocracy. Whatever the beliefs of the law makers they have to follow the constitution and that is what makes the US the anthisesis of nations like Iran.

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i don't think i've ever read iran's top dogs saying allah speaks to them and tells them what to do?!?!?!
Really? Iran is a theocracy, or a 'theodicy' for want of a better phrase. The mullahs run the country and the President is every bit as delusional.

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i don't hate bush, i actually kind of feel sorry for him and i did support him well into the iraq war but there's only so much you can let slide before you realise just how inept the man is.
I have no regard for Bush at all. I think he is an imbicile of the highest order. He's naive, childish, insecure, uneducated and I absolutely hate his use of faith as a justification for doing what he wants.

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but as reality would have it, we're discussing world peace and at the present all that iran is guilty of is rattling it's sabre and POSSIBLY trying to attain nukes whereas the US is upto it's eyeballs in shit with regards to conflict.
Yes but you surely can't be that short sighted. The Islamic facist movement is a major and iminent threat to world peace and America has no choice but to fight them for the sake of preserving freedom. I certainly don't think they are going about it in a smart or particularly effective fashion and that surely is a result of who is in charge but the threat to world peace is not America is any way at all. It is those that they are fighting who are the threat.
Imagine in 1938 America had launched an invasion of Germany to remove Adolf Hitler. You could well have made the argument that they was a destructive force to world peace but what would the alternative have been. As it turns out we know exactly what it was. Just because one nation is engaged in war at a given moment in time does not mean that that nation is responsible or the cause.

To argue America is the problem is absolute piffle, and I frankly find it difficult to sum up any respect or time for people with such attitudes. To argue that America is the danger to world peace makes the assumption that Bin Ladenism is like some sort of liberation theology and these people only exist and do what they do because of America's policies and if only America would change it's ways and it's foreign policies all these people would cease their violence, suicide bombings and efforts to reduce mankind to peasentry. This is an insane notion.
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