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I hate Bush
..and Saddam?????????????
Yes I hate him too..... But at the end of day, Tony Blair isn't prepairing our army to go in and bomb innocent American's, to rid the world of somebody who isn't safe are we?
I'm not aware that George Bush's track record of brutality is quite that of Saddam's! I don't recall GW bombing his own people with chemical weapons either. I guess you and I obviously have differing views on who it is that we see as unsafe in this instance!
Deffinately. I think somebody who has the biggest nucleur capabilities, and a total disreguard for the rest of the world is dangerous. A power like that needs to be managed, as Clinton was able to do...... Think of a person you don't want with his finger on the button.... are we thinking of the same person?????

Saddam's brutality has nothing to do with it, if it's his weapons that we're going to war over, it's becaue they could be used against us, not because he's using them to supress his own people. We've know that he's used chemical wepons before, so why are we acting now, if this is the reason, why wasn't action taken years ago.

One could also argue that it's America's foreign policy that's created Bin Laden. I'm not saying this is the case, it's what many people have been suggesting though, if that's the case, he was inadvertenly responsible for the 3000 on 7/11!

I think Bush is dangerous because he's stupid. We've all seen the pics, read the quotes, and I've been laughing my head off at some of them. But it's really not that funny, he's probably the most powerful man in the world, and could potensially destroy it.
Clinton??? Did somebody say Clinton...why do you think 9/11 happened. Oh yes, thank Clinton. NO Foreign relation skills whatsoever and he is the one who cut back on our military in the first place.
Bush walked right on into the mess Clinton created.
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I hate Bush
..and Saddam?????????????
Yes I hate him too..... But at the end of day, Tony Blair isn't prepairing our army to go in and bomb innocent American's, to rid the world of somebody who isn't safe are we?
I'm not aware that George Bush's track record of brutality is quite that of Saddam's! I don't recall GW bombing his own people with chemical weapons either. I guess you and I obviously have differing views on who it is that we see as unsafe in this instance!
Deffinately. I think somebody who has the biggest nucleur capabilities, and a total disreguard for the rest of the world is dangerous. A power like that needs to be managed, as Clinton was able to do...... Think of a person you don't want with his finger on the button.... are we thinking of the same person?????

Saddam's brutality has nothing to do with it, if it's his weapons that we're going to war over, it's becaue they could be used against us, not because he's using them to supress his own people. We've know that he's used chemical wepons before, so why are we acting now, if this is the reason, why wasn't action taken years ago.

One could also argue that it's America's foreign policy that's created Bin Laden. I'm not saying this is the case, it's what many people have been suggesting though, if that's the case, he was inadvertenly responsible for the 3000 on 7/11!

I think Bush is dangerous because he's stupid. We've all seen the pics, read the quotes, and I've been laughing my head off at some of them. But it's really not that funny, he's probably the most powerful man in the world, and could potensially destroy it.
Clinton??? Did somebody say Clinton...why do you think 9/11 happened. Oh yes, thank Clinton. NO Foreign relation skills whatsoever and he is the one who cut back on our military in the first place.
Bush walked right on into the mess Clinton created.
Yeah - but at least Clinton could be bothered to leave his Country every once in a while when dealing with international matters
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I hate Bush
..and Saddam?????????????
Yes I hate him too..... But at the end of day, Tony Blair isn't prepairing our army to go in and bomb innocent American's, to rid the world of somebody who isn't safe are we?
I'm not aware that George Bush's track record of brutality is quite that of Saddam's! I don't recall GW bombing his own people with chemical weapons either. I guess you and I obviously have differing views on who it is that we see as unsafe in this instance!
Deffinately. I think somebody who has the biggest nucleur capabilities, and a total disreguard for the rest of the world is dangerous. A power like that needs to be managed, as Clinton was able to do...... Think of a person you don't want with his finger on the button.... are we thinking of the same person?????

Saddam's brutality has nothing to do with it, if it's his weapons that we're going to war over, it's becaue they could be used against us, not because he's using them to supress his own people. We've know that he's used chemical wepons before, so why are we acting now, if this is the reason, why wasn't action taken years ago.

One could also argue that it's America's foreign policy that's created Bin Laden. I'm not saying this is the case, it's what many people have been suggesting though, if that's the case, he was inadvertenly responsible for the 3000 on 7/11!

I think Bush is dangerous because he's stupid. We've all seen the pics, read the quotes, and I've been laughing my head off at some of them. But it's really not that funny, he's probably the most powerful man in the world, and could potensially destroy it.
Clinton??? Did somebody say Clinton...why do you think 9/11 happened. Oh yes, thank Clinton. NO Foreign relation skills whatsoever and he is the one who cut back on our military in the first place.
Bush walked right on into the mess Clinton created.
Yeah - but at least Clinton could be bothered to leave his Country every once in a while when dealing with international matters
Touche!

Let me tell you, I have watched Tony Blair speak and I know you are not happy with him right now, but he is one articulate speaker. He doesn't read off of a teleprompter like our President.
He really seems to have it together. You should appreciate him. Look what our choices were, Gore or Bush. Not much of a selection these days.
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But do you really think BJ hate Bush????
Well, they’re playing protest songs at their shows...... Plus Jon was part of Al Gore’s publicity, I mean presidency campaign.

Protest songs?? I will leave the show. I hate when musicians think we care about their political views. I am going to watch them sing, not preach from their ivory tower.
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Looks like war by Friday. I'm feeling sick. Lots of people, innocent people, people who have nothing to do with Saddam Hussein are going to die for oil. All because of our megalomaniac president, and his fixation on oil. Some one said that the thought of innocent people dying is gut wrenching. Yes it is. And since we're american citizens, their blood will be on our hands.

God help those who are in the right.

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all you guys can hava as much debates as you can, but in the end, Mr. Bush (the believer in democracy and peace) will declare his war, and you will sit and watch CNN(while they feed you their lies) and then have debates all over again, while my brothers and friends in Iraq die today, and me die tomorrow(when it's somebody else's turn on the Bush's "divinely" agenda)...and then someone else here will sit to watch your debates, who hates Bush and who hates the new "Wanted Dead or alive", this isnt about bush anymore, or about his dogs, and it isnt about saddam, this is about me, and you all dont know shit about that.. when you see someone so stupid and unrespactable like bush stand on your neck and say that he is your god, and you are either with him(with the other dogs) or against him, when you see someone so criminal and unhuman like sharon, standing on your back and asking for help because you are hurting him! they killed an american protester on sunday, do u know how? with a caterpillar, no body ever heard about the people sharon lined up jenin's street and ordered his tanks to roll over them...
this is about me, and everyone else here, we dont hate americans, but it's not very sensible to sit and watch them kill us everyday...

Well my fear of you is building around
And I'm wearing it like a belt
And I know it's hard to make a sound
But you should have asked how I felt
Last night your ghost broke through my song
And your body broke through my bed
Tell me what it takes to make you gone
Tell me what it takes to get out of my head
Because nothing seems enough for you
And no one believes in the things that you do
Like a queen of pain you fake your cries
Like a queen of sin you tell your lies
Your evil juices wont seduce me this time
You forgot your truces and you're addicted to crime
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Clinton??? Did somebody say Clinton...why do you think 9/11 happened. Oh yes, thank Clinton. NO Foreign relation skills whatsoever and he is the one who cut back on our military in the first place.
Bush walked right on into the mess Clinton created.
Yeah - but at least Clinton could be bothered to leave his Country every once in a while when dealing with international matters [/quote]

Touche!

Let me tell you, I have watched Tony Blair speak and I know you are not happy with him right now, but he is one articulate speaker. He doesn't read off of a teleprompter like our President.
He really seems to have it together. You should appreciate him. Look what our choices were, Gore or Bush. Not much of a selection these days.[/quote]

You're right. Tony Blair is an excellent politition, articulate, and even over the war, although I don't agree, he has put his case forward well, even if I do think he's talking rubbish. The thing is though, we do generally have a system where there are a lot of good polititions. Charles Kenedy (Lib Dems) I rate highly, he's seems to have a few ideas (as much as you can trust a 3rd party), and is a very good speaker, I'd say better than TB in fact. O.K, so the Conservatives look a little scrappy for us, Ian and Dunkan Smith (you'd think that the two of them would do better ) but there are still a few good polititions in the part. In Britain we are very used to seeing the debates, particularly the PM question time in the Houses of Commans. I don't know what you have in America, but I've never understood quite where the President and Congress fit in, in terms of debating e.t.c. ....

We also have a lot of career polititions now, who are excellent debaters. I know that American presidents generally don't have this background (Anybody can be President idea), which may or may not be a good thing. We are very used to reading, and hearing about the 'sleezy' polititions, and there is a lot of looking after their own backs......

As for the Clinton thing. Of cource, it's not Bush that's created the problem, but what has he done to solve it????? If you inherit a problem, then it should be pretty high on your agenda to implement your own policies and solve the problem. As far as I've read, Bush has done the opposite, made the problem worse. He does stay in America, whcih isn't good, plus some of his ideas are not going to please the international comunity. Such as I remember last year I think there was some sort of development he wanted to do, in a green area? I remember it was quite controversial at the time... the idea of having an international polution controle, which they woudln't agree to.

This thing about debating is true. We're looking at the war from a political point of view. If we go to war, we'll read the news, and in a few weeks, we'll be debating it's effects, what it's achieved e.t.c.... For some people, this debate (although in my view there never was a debate, as we were always going to war) is going to rip their families apart, demolish their homes, and change their lives for ever..... Nice poem Tooka
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all you guys can hava as much debates as you can, but in the end, Mr. Bush (the believer in democracy and peace) will declare his war, and you will sit and watch CNN(while they feed you their lies) and then have debates all over again, while my brothers and friends in Iraq die today, and me die tomorrow(when it's somebody else's turn on the Bush's "divinely" agenda)...and then someone else here will sit to watch your debates, who hates Bush and who hates the new "Wanted Dead or alive", this isnt about bush anymore, or about his dogs, and it isnt about saddam, this is about me, and you all dont know **** about that.. when you see someone so stupid and unrespactable like bush stand on your neck and say that he is your god, and you are either with him(with the other dogs) or against him, when you see someone so criminal and unhuman like sharon, standing on your back and asking for help because you are hurting him! they killed an american protester on sunday, do u know how? with a caterpillar, no body ever heard about the people sharon lined up jenin's street and ordered his tanks to roll over them...
this is about me, and everyone else here, we dont hate americans, but it's not very sensible to sit and watch them kill us everyday...
Sharon? Arial Sharon (or however you spell his name)? Same one? His lack of respect for life runs farther than Palestinians it seems. I'll check this out, see if I can find news on the american protester.

I stand against Bush. Even if that means I stand with his enemies, I stand against him. I'm only sixteen, so I don't know what I can do (and even if I was eighteen, all I can do is vote). I argue it out with friends, try and convince them Bush is as big an airhead and a threat to world peace as I think he is. Haven't convinced anyone though.

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Anyone who thinks he can defend peace with a war must be mad. Bush is mad. that's all!
I don't really care about Bush,Blair or Saddam, I just know that a war is gonna start and I think of all the innocent people. A few men have decided the fate of thousands of people.
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