War, Yes or No?

An-U · #21 02-18-2003, 01:40 AM

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the 4th option for me, too.
well, some people have to realise that this war won't happen because the US want to defend the world peace by taking the weapons from saddam and his country (which has no power at all) but because they want iraq's oil. two big countries that are taking advantage of iraq's oils now, are france and germany that's why their politicians are against this war. simple citizens like us have other reasons to be against any war!
also the US people have never really lived through hard war times, like europeans, that's why it's easier for them to be more light hearted over that subject. but again, from what i've been seeing the last days the majority of people in every country are against this irrational war! and that's a good thing...

Sorry, but this time I don't think it's about he oil for our government (for the people it definetely isn't). Maybe you know that last year our chancellor was chosen. Schröder and with him the SPD won. But Stoiber and the CDU/CSU announced that they won't do that for the whole 4 years. And after all the **** that happened since last year (but it's the same every year) the SPD lost many electors. The only thing that keeps them where they are is that they are against the war. People know that Stoiber would be for it. So our current government had a little problem if they changed their mind.
As for your second paraghraph I totally agree. There's nothing more to say.

from what i've been studying in the university the last years no country is good to another just out of pure humanism. there are always other interests that are being perplexed in the backstage of international relations. politicians aim to what fulfills and increases their counties' profits. maybe their opposition to the war derives from the fact that they can't change their mind as you said but that can't be the only reason. it's too daring to opposite the US just because 'they can't change their mind', you know what i mean?

Maybe it isn't the only reason but I think that it's the main reason. I bet you haven't seen Stoiber and Schröder during the election campaign. At the moment SPD and Co. fears more about the own ass than about any relationships to the USA. If they said yes to the war their perid of office could be over very soon. As you noticed the people are ready now to go out on the streets to declare their opinion.

ugly_queen_from_mars · #22 02-18-2003, 02:23 AM

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the 4th option for me, too.
well, some people have to realise that this war won't happen because the US want to defend the world peace by taking the weapons from saddam and his country (which has no power at all) but because they want iraq's oil. two big countries that are taking advantage of iraq's oils now, are france and germany that's why their politicians are against this war. simple citizens like us have other reasons to be against any war!
also the US people have never really lived through hard war times, like europeans, that's why it's easier for them to be more light hearted over that subject. but again, from what i've been seeing the last days the majority of people in every country are against this irrational war! and that's a good thing...

And you know it is only about the oil because......that is what your told to believe. You have no idea what kinds of weapons Saddam has or doesn't have. If you did know, you better contact a UN inspector and tell him that he is wasting his time. You know the same as everyone else, which is what your politicians tell you. Unless you live in Iraq and hang with Saddam on a daily basis, don't pretend to know something you don't.

Saddam has no power at all??? That is laughable.

what do you mean by saying "And you know it is only about the oil because......"? that is is partially for the oil? that the US will attack iraq to disarm it and take some some oil, too? c'mon!
and how do you know that this war won't be for oil? that is what you're being told, right?
and just to let you know our government has never said that this war will be for oil, they keep the same line with other europeans countries... so i'm not being propagandised. everyone seem to know what this war will be about except some people who are easy to convince because of their low formative status or because of their excessive nationalism.
the UN inspectors will do either what the US tell them or they will not be considered at all.
and how can a small and poor country be that dangerous?
also the history facts prove that the US invade to whichever country they want, anytime they want, so they are the dangerous ones and not iraq.
your country employs the legalised by force terrorism.

Mousebounce · #23 02-18-2003, 02:36 AM

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the 4th option for me, too.
well, some people have to realise that this war won't happen because the US want to defend the world peace by taking the weapons from saddam and his country (which has no power at all) but because they want iraq's oil. two big countries that are taking advantage of iraq's oils now, are france and germany that's why their politicians are against this war. simple citizens like us have other reasons to be against any war!
also the US people have never really lived through hard war times, like europeans, that's why it's easier for them to be more light hearted over that subject. but again, from what i've been seeing the last days the majority of people in every country are against this irrational war! and that's a good thing...

And you know it is only about the oil because......that is what your told to believe. You have no idea what kinds of weapons Saddam has or doesn't have. If you did know, you better contact a UN inspector and tell him that he is wasting his time. You know the same as everyone else, which is what your politicians tell you. Unless you live in Iraq and hang with Saddam on a daily basis, don't pretend to know something you don't.

Saddam has no power at all??? That is laughable.

what do you mean by saying "And you know it is only about the oil because......"? that is is partially for the oil? that the US will attack iraq to disarm it and take some some oil, too? c'mon!
and how do you know that this war won't be for oil? that is what you're being told, right?
and just to let you know our government has never said that this war will be for oil, they keep the same line with other europeans countries... so i'm not being propagandised. everyone seem to know what this war will be about except some people who are easy to convince because of their low formative status or because of their excessive nationalism.
the UN inspectors will do either what the US tell them or they will not be considered at all.
and how can a small and poor country be that dangerous?
also the history facts prove that the US invade to whichever country they want, anytime they want, so they are the dangerous ones and not iraq.
your country employs the legalised by force terrorism.

How can a small country be dangerous you ask?? Well, let's see, when they are run by Saddam and have access to chemical and biological weapons. Do you think Saddam will come out and just give them to the UN inspectors?

"Here you go Mr. Inspector, look at all my lovely weapons."

I don't think so Ugly. You hear and believe just as much propaganda as us. Plus, you seem to believe it all. You don't know anything about Iraq. Why you ask? Because you don't LIVE there.

Me, I don't know either. But it is obvious that Saddam is a nut case. I don't need to live there to know that. You can ask people who are against the war, and even they have to admit that Saddam is a little "touched" shall we say.

Jovi2003 · #24 02-18-2003, 04:07 AM

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and how do you know that this war won't be for oil? that is what you're being told, right?

And how do you know it is? That's just what you're being fed, and as Mouse said, you swallow it all.

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and just to let you know our government has never said that this war will be for oil, they keep the same line with other europeans countries... so i'm not being propagandised.

Do you even know what you are talking about? If your country doesn't tell you that "it's all about oil", then where do you get that idea from?

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everyone seem to know what this war will be about except some people who are easy to convince because of their low formative status or because of their excessive nationalism.

That must be the most ridiculous thing you've written so far. We all know why Germany, Russia, and France are trying to block it. If we go to war, that would threaten their own interests, wouldn't it? We're being accused of trying to exploit Iraq's oil, but what about the ones who are already exploiting it? Why are they right and we're wrong? Very hypocritical thinking on the Europeans' parts.

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and how can a small and poor country be that dangerous?

Correction. THIS is the most ridiculous thing you've written.

Mike · #25 02-18-2003, 08:41 PM

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and how do you know that this war won't be for oil? that is what you're being told, right?

And how do you know it is? That's just what you're being fed, and as Mouse said, you swallow it all.

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and just to let you know our government has never said that this war will be for oil, they keep the same line with other europeans countries... so i'm not being propagandised.

Do you even know what you are talking about? If your country doesn't tell you that "it's all about oil", then where do you get that idea from?

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everyone seem to know what this war will be about except some people who are easy to convince because of their low formative status or because of their excessive nationalism.

That must be the most ridiculous thing you've written so far. We all know why Germany, Russia, and France are trying to block it. If we go to war, that would threaten their own interests, wouldn't it? We're being accused of trying to exploit Iraq's oil, but what about the ones who are already exploiting it? Why are they right and we're wrong? Very hypocritical thinking on the Europeans' parts.

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and how can a small and poor country be that dangerous?

Correction. THIS is the most ridiculous thing you've written.

The oil line hasn't been plugged much - but the reasons r as believable to me as the WMD.

The Gulf War was partially about Oil. We couldn't have Saddam in charge of two countries who were sitting on an oil well.

Afghanisatn was partially about Oil. The Taliban had refused America an oil line before Sept 11. Now America have that Oil line.

Also - some ppl r actually trying to justify a war for oil.

No facts to back it up......But then thats the same about the WMD argument.

Mike

ugly_queen_from_mars · #26 02-19-2003, 01:25 AM

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Afghanisatn was partially about Oil. The Taliban had refused America an oil line before Sept 11. Now America have that Oil line.

first of all i'm not gonna answer to ignorant narrow minded persons again cause all they can do is recycling the same things again and again...

so mike maybe bin laden wasn't really the one to blame for the attack but they used him in order to take that oil line as you said.
also i watched blair saying that the UN inspectors are actually losing their time because they won't be able to find the hidden weapons... so maybe he's preparing the ground for not accepting the decision of the UN inspectors as non valid!

letitrock · #27 02-19-2003, 01:52 AM

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Afghanisatn was partially about Oil. The Taliban had refused America an oil line before Sept 11. Now America have that Oil line.

first of all i'm not gonna answer to ignorant narrow minded persons again cause all they can do is recycling the same things again and again...

so mike maybe bin laden wasn't really the one to blame for the attack but they used him in order to take that oil line as you said.
also i watched blair saying that the UN inspectors are actually losing their time because they won't be able to find the hidden weapons... so maybe he's preparing the ground for not accepting the decision of the UN inspectors as non valid!

well even though the opposition are also split and no real challenge, he's rapidly losing political supporters, even amongst his own party...

and before that people were upset since they weren't actual very socialist any more... and still are not

Mike · #28 02-19-2003, 09:02 PM

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Afghanisatn was partially about Oil. The Taliban had refused America an oil line before Sept 11. Now America have that Oil line.

first of all i'm not gonna answer to ignorant narrow minded persons again cause all they can do is recycling the same things again and again...

so mike maybe bin laden wasn't really the one to blame for the attack but they used him in order to take that oil line as you said.
also i watched blair saying that the UN inspectors are actually losing their time because they won't be able to find the hidden weapons... so maybe he's preparing the ground for not accepting the decision of the UN inspectors as non valid!

I said partly - & what have America gained from invading Afghanistan?.

Sometimes I think u ppl r being far too defensive & aren't even trying to see the wider picture - or even my read my post thoroughly. I was saying why this could be about oil. Not why it definately was. I am trying to illustrate how disallusioned I am with the reasons for this war / one sided attack.

Mike

~River of Love~ · #29 02-19-2003, 09:57 PM

No WAR, it's never a good answer no matter where it happens. Belive me I have suffered war when I was only a child,8-9years old. I still remember everything and I don't want that somebody has to suffer war as I did, no matter for what reason. I think that war isn't goning to chnge many things, or maybe it will, many people would die and they are not guilty.

So no more war, just PEACE.....

letitrock · #30 02-19-2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ~River of Love~

No WAR, it's never a good answer no matter where it happens. Belive me I have suffered war when I was only a child,8-9years old. I still remember everything and I don't want that somebody has to suffer war as I did, no matter for what reason. I think that war isn't goning to chnge many things, or maybe it will, many people would die and they are not guilty.

So no more war, just PEACE.....

exactly! dead right

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