Was it a goal or not?

Yep - The Keeper started further away from the ball than Terry or Campbell.

again: which refs??
you said the top refs and the top refs but not the ones in portugal. but all the top refs are currently staying in portugal.

To be honest, not ALL the best refs are in Portugal! The scrawny one representing Britain has made some absolute howlers and there are much better refs in the English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish game than him - so your argument falls down there too!

all refs voted as top 5 of the world are there! and the top 3 (1. collina, 2. meier, 3. frisk) all agreed on that scene. so i don't see my argument falling down at all. i don't care whether some british top 50 ref does not agree with the decision in fact. probably there are good reasons why they are not in portugal now.

by the way: fifa writes that they were impressed that meier could stay so cool in a critical moment and had the guts to not give the goal, wich they themselves think was a correct decision. that's why they decided today, that he will be 4th neutral man on sunday evening, and will probably oversee one of the semi finals.

if it was really that obviously a wrong decision, i'm sure they wouldn't let him oversee another game this year again!

Yeah, on ITV news yesterday there was David Elleray (recently retired, top English referee). They gave him the tape of the disallowed goal and he was saying how it was a clear goal. He also told that he's been on the phone to many different referees from over the world and the majority had said the same.

I think after hearing what the ref has said about England he has a problem with phisical football. He's baiscally said 'they can't get away with the things they do in the prem in Europe'. I think he just doesn't like the way we play phiscial football, and so gave lots of soft free kicks because of the way we challange for balls... i.e with passion! Verselle had so many free kicks against him for just challenging for the ball, no foul committed, but they had a free kick. I think when the goal went in he gave the free kick because he saw a less than convincing goal keeper fall over after having gotten his possition wrong and gave a free kick because there was an england player around, not stepping out of the way. I think he'd have given a free kick if there had been less going on in the box, he just wasn't going to put up with a phisical game... I think the ref preferes the usual theatrics!

The goal has a bit of a ? mark over it I have to say. Watched replays and thought it was fine every time, but then saw a pic in the paper where Terry seemed to have his arm up. I think the picture makes it seem much worse than it was, and it wasn't a foul 90% of the time... To put it into perspective, I'm a hugh United fan, but any idiot could see that Villa's goal at the end of last season, where Howard fell on the floor wasn't a foul and should have stood. For me this is a similar thing, the goal keeper using his get out of jail free card because he's a goal keeper, and players aren't allowed to go near him in the box. I think that are of the rules needs to be looked at...

If his game was so good, why was I reading before that he's now not going to be taking charge of the final? (Pretty sure he was tipped, or maybe even deffinatly had it before).

that's probably why he always sais that premier league is his favorite football league then???

accept it: international football is less hard.

at the hockey wm they also were not allowed to play like in the NHL, enen so many refs would say that NHL is the best league. this is quite the same thing. eigther you don't understand or don't want to understand that.

by the way....
did they edit that out in your replays or why haven't you seen that?

Terry does have his arm up but how many people jump up with their arms by their side?

The picture makes it look like a foul, when you see the replay you realise it wasn't.

Sorry but the ref's have just been poor. Deco for instance is a disgrace to football. He's diving everywhere, but because there is minimal contact the refs let him get away with it and give him the free kicks. Look at the way... erm... Bulgaria played against Italy. The refs are giving anything. that's not being soft, that's being a poor ref. They should be getting on top of all the diving, and play acting. I'm not saying the goal keeper was play acting or took a dive, but it was clearly his own bad play that meant he was no where near the ball, and so the fact he fell over should have meant nothing. Yet a free kick was given because the goal keeper didn't get to the ball and ended up on the floor. Refs have been giving free kicks to anybody who hits the deck.

International football is only less hard because of all the diving cheating uckers. We have players who dive in England, but maybe a couple in a team and generally the fans don't like them diving. However, so many sides seem to adopt diving and play acting as a tactic, which teh whole team do...

(that said I've been impressed at the way Portugal play, expected them to dive much much more having watched Porto)

said it quite often before but again: the gk was hindered from his actions in the 5m box and this is against the rules- so no goal!