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er, because he lives in Sedgefield you idiot.
I thought he lived in London...

But as I said, I confronted it with my book and it said so... Power is based on the local strength of parties.

But, you know, I really don't care... I always find it hard to discuss anything when someone starts insulting. That, as using comparisons, only goes to show insecurity on your ideas, btw
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says what..? Are you on drugs??
No... then I would understand you, which I don't.


It says that the system of constituencies is used for the central gvt as well.
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In political terms he lives in London now (number 11.)

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Local power, ie who cleans the local toilets etc is decided by local government yes :] but theres no regional assemblies....(yet)
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back on topic.

just because people who supported the war weren't out ont he street looking like fannies protesting doesn't mean he didn't have support and i'm pretty sure there was alot more support for it than it appeared, it just happened to be less vocal than the no war campaign.

tony blair was born and bred in sedgefield hence y thats his consituency and hes been there MP for over 20 odd years.

will he be forced out? doubtful

will he lose the next election? depends. theres alot of time between now and then and he could get his act together but i hope michael howard keeps it together and gets the tories back in there.

saying that. if blair was set to lose. would he stand down and let gordon brown take over in the hope labour stays in power instead of looking after hjmself first? i'm not so sure now.
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I am just curious to know what the English plan on doing about the fact that their Prime Minister, Tony Blair, lied to them about the reasons for going to war with Iraq. He supported Bush throughout this entire thing, even though the majority of the people in England were against him. I don't know how the English political system works, but are there any plans to remove him from office anytime soon?

I ask this because a lot of people ask the citizens of the US how we can let Bush stay in office after he so blatantly lied to us. Yet, Blair did the same thing, so I am sure the English are not very happy with him either.
Actually, Bush was a lot cleverer than Blair during this matter. It seems he didn't base the entire reason for war solely on WMD (although it was a big part) & didn't force dodgy dossier's down our throats to get the WMD point across.

Blair will not go for lying, as 'officially' the Hutton report has cleared him of doctoring the intelligence. His biggest threat is that it has emerged members of the cabinet & indeed the intelligence community knew that the 45 minute claim related to battlefield weapons BEFORE it was put in. Blair is denying this, however if other ppl knew it - why didn't he?

Also, Bush ordering an inquiry into the Weapons has really scuppured Blair as Blair cannot get away with delaying the result until after the next election. That said - he has appointed an establishment figure that is very likely to favour Blair & the scope of the inquiry does not focus on why we went to war.

The only way Blair will go before the next election is if his party loses confidence in him.
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even though the majority of the people in England were against him.
thats actually a blatent lie btw.
It isn't a blatant lie. Polls were showing a healthy anti-war majority, TV shows were struggling to get a representative audience in debate shows & pro-war supporters didn't feel strongly enough to get off their arses & protest for the war.
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er, well we have whats called Democracy you know...should we feel the need to remove Blair from number 10. Then he will be.. What exactly did you think we would do ?
I'm not convinced Blair will stand at the next election. Polls are showing majority support for Gordon Brown over Blair & Michael Howard is the guy he introduced the poll tax. That said, at least he is prepared to have a go at Blair.
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just because people who supported the war weren't out ont he street looking like fannies protesting doesn't mean he didn't have support and i'm pretty sure there was alot more support for it than it appeared, it just happened to be less vocal than the no war campaign.
Nor does it show they had more support, in fact it does suggest the opposite.
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That's how the British system works. It's not centralised either
er, no. Thats how the system of LOCAL GOVERNMENT works. Check things out properly next time..The British system of government has for many years been one of the most centralised in Europe
Goose.... didn't u study politics?? With Labour in power, it means that they have the majority of seats in the house. Hence when it comes to vote on a policy they are usually going to get it through. The recent vote on tution fees shwoed how much the governments majority had rebelled.

Anyhow - heres an overview:

The UK is a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch as Head of State. The democracy is long-established and is sustained by free elections, freedom of speech and open and equal treatment before the law.

The principle behind British democracy is that, at a general election held a maximum of five years apart, the people elect Members of Parliament (MPs) to the House of Commons in London. Each MP in the House of Commons represents one of 659 constituencies, or 'seats', in the UK and is also normally a member of one of the major political parties. The party that wins the most seats forms the government executive which determines policy; since 1999, powers have also been devolved to the Scottish Parliament and assemblies in Wales and Northern Ireland. The remaining MPs group into opposition and other parties, or are independent. The result is an assembly that reflects a broad range of political opinions all of which have a voice in the debates about key government issues and policies.

The House of Commons is the supreme legislative authority in the UK and has greater powers than the second parliamentary chamber, the House of Lords, which is set up on entirely different principles and is also involved in the legislative process.
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Thats not what I was talking about sonny Jim, she was making it sound as if government itself was uber de-centralised. I was attempting to show that people in the general election still vote for one party or the other mainly for the country as a whole, not based on local issues - that comes down to local / council elections. Ours is still one of the most centralised governments in Europe
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