Who will win the Champions League this season ('12-'13)

I still can't believe Götze is playing for Bayern now!

Hah amazing. All this frustration and hate with/ for Bayern.

First of all 'highlighting' personal aspects of players/ officials lives to undermine a club of the status of Bayern is simply ridiculous. People like Rummenigge and Hoeness have actually done something foe German football. Hoeness has denounced himself and is currently in trial - chances are he won't even be found guilty. And that Rolex story about Rummenigge is just silly. But hey, if you read Bild, good for you!

As about all other points:

Goetze had a clause in his contract. Why he would have a clause in his contract, you should ask Mr. Watzke. Why he is actually going to Bayern when he could go to City, Chelsea or pretty much any other club, you should ask Mr. Goetze himself. Blaming Bayern for wanting one of the biggest talents in football is nothing but ridiculous, especially given the outrageous sum that they are paying for him.

As about transfers, Bayern spends significantly less on transfers than the likes of Real Madrid or Barcelona (not to mention PSG, Chelsea, City, etc).
Having said that - a very high number of their core players are from their own youth academy.

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Mueller, Kroos, Alaba, Badstuber - that's 6 of their normal core players when they are not injured. Not to mention that even someone like Matts Hummels from Dortmund is actually from Bayern's academy.

So all this 'hate' is unjustified and absurd. But even if all Bayern did was buy players, they still spend their OWN hard-earned money to do so. Dortmund should know it best, in the end it was an interest-free loan from Bayern that kept them alive. But yes - all these silly remarks are just cracking me up. 5 European cups! That's all that matters!

Bayern Muenchen - Treble winner 2013

Whaaaat a year! WHAT A YEAR!!!
This year's Bayern played the consistently best football I have ever experienced in my lifetime of being a football supporter. Better than Real in the early 00s. Better than Barca at the end of the 00s. Better than anyone else.

Respect!

Well it is obvious that you have no clue when it comes to German soccer.
It is pretty obvious that Bayern ALWAYS buy their hardest oponents best players. It was like that in the 80s and 90's and it is like this today. For Example Werder Bremen was their hardest oponent in the 90's. SO they bought their best players including Klose and some others, who did not even play when they were in Bayern . Or look at Michael Sternkopf - he was the biggest German talent when he played in Karlsruhe (like Oliver Kahn did). They bought him from Karlsruhe and he never really took off. But they were sure he would not play for the best oponents club.
Bayer Leverkusen - same thing here: They gave them a hard time at the end of the 90's and early 00's so they bought Lucio and Ballack. SO - Leverkusen was no oponent anymore.
Dortmund owned them last two seasons. So same thing here. Just buying away the other's best players thats all this shitty club can do.
If only they had some friendly players - but they fit to this sucky club. Yesterday the won the cup final. Stuttgart was great and they should have gotten a penalty because of Boatengs playing with the hand. Everyone saw it but the referee. Laughable.
I hope Hoeness will go to jail.- This guy surely did sth for German soccer ok but he is just an assclown and preached his morals in every talkshow around. He shouted against those who took their black money to suisse. And he is the same criminal. Any other CEO (no pun intended) would have been put on hiatus. This guy stays. Says it all because he has freinds in Bavarian government.
If they win every game 4:0/5:0next year no one will go and see the Bundesliga anymore. So they shoot themselves in the foot in the long run. Any ost of their fans are only fans when they have success. Most of their shitty fans turned their back on them when the lost every game against Dortmund last year. Instead of trying harder all they do is putting their money out and buy all the players available. Sad....

I am a huge Basketball fan. A few years ago there was not even a 1st class Bayern basketball club.
Hoeness is a fan too so all he did was buying almost all national players to form a team and even the national coach. No tradition or whatsoever. Just a team of hired guns.

That just cracked me up. It's like bleeding frustration ....coming out all through your pores...and your keyboard of course.

Bayern Munich was built on the legacy of Franz Beckenbauer, Sepp Maier, Gerd Mueller, Paul Breitner and Rummenigge. That team was homegrown, much like Ajax great team from the 70s. On that foundation came years and years of extremely clever financial management. All your non-nonsensical stuff that you spit out there changes nothing. Bayern had a strategy all throughout. It's not like all the money came from a Russian oligarch or an Arabic sheikh. Of course, football is a business just like everything else. And right now, the whole world admires this club. It is actually the most valuable football brand in the world, ahead of ManU, Barca and Real - who follow the same strategies when it comes to buying players (see Figo going to Real from Barca).
But you don't get it. Cause all this hate and frustration is making you blind. Fair enough. At least don't make a fool of yourself telling me I know nothing about German football. I am a Bayern Munich fan as long as I have lived and I probably know more than anyone else that I actually know.

As about the basketball club - suddenly people talk about the Basketball Bundesliga - in the press, on TV, I even see it on other countries sports news. If anything, having Bayern play there has added increased media attention which will result in higher incomes for every other club. But of course, it's just Uli's mercenaries. Some people, just pathetic really...

Funny stuff really - Bayern Munich has to be te most hated club ever. At least in germany.

Just to show you some FACTS what the Bavarian Fans are like: They expected 100.000 fans when they presented their triple today. And guess what: 16.000 showed up.

In Dortmund there were 15.000 when they returned after the lost final.

Munich fans are the most pathetic "fans" ever

You got it: The strategy is : "buy all the players from our best oponents regardless if we need them or not" That is the strategy. Don't tell me Bayern needs Lewandowski. They just might buy him because he won t play for Dortmund. Get your facts straight Mr. German Soccer expert. YOU are clueless

What a way to put an end to this topic. Bayern Munich wins the treble in a manner that has not really been experienced before, not only in Germany but in other top leagues too. And then I have to read all this bullshit coming from some random guy on a Bon Jovi forum. And then I can't help but respond. How silly of me.

I got your point. Bayern is evil etc etc. They buy useless players for no reason. They have no fans etc etc. They are all mercenaries. It's a shit club that should have not won anything ever. Etc etc. Now lets get on with it and look at facts.

No other team has played more Champions League finals than Bayern Munich. Only Real Madrid and AC Milan have won the trophy more times. Only Real Madrid and Ajax also managed to win it 3 times in a row. Only Barcerlona, Juve, Chelsea and Ajax are the other teams that have won all European trophies. If there was a league table of all European competitions, Bayern would be all time second behind Madrid. It would be all time first since 1970. And I repeat - THEIR OWN MONEY. You see the difference? Probably not, but no one cares. Everyone envies success - some Germans take it to the extreme though. Once again: If Dortmund had made better economic decisions in the early 2000s, they could have been up there with Bayern from a financial perspective too. Then they would not need to sell their best player. They would not need to put clauses into their contracts. And again - Lewandowksi could go ANYWHERE. Why does he go to Bayern? Ever asked yourself that? Probably not. Too much hate and too little IQ. Let's leave it at that.

just because of $$$$ not because of playing.

No need for namecalling. Most bavarian fans don't have a clue when it comes to this shitty club.
Those from abraod are even worse than those in germany. Clueless and just fan if they win. we call em "success fans"
If they lose they turn away