Why are guys so hard to understand

Me either. Everyone is so quick to generalise that its no wonder people find it so hard to understand one another. If everybody walks around with the same GENERALISED view of men and women, its not surprising that they get their wires crossed!

So what you two are saying, that if you're with a beautiful girl and you've told her you wouldn't sleep with her, but let's say you had to spend the night at her place and get naked in the process, you wouldn't take advantage of the situation? If not, you're monks. Anyway, generalization is all you're gonna get, we are all individuals, you can't generalize one bit, if you want it to apply to everyone.

Ice

ice there's a big difference between not knocking back sex with someone you like and think is good looking when the cnance arises and wanting sex with every woman even "subconsciously" as u put it.

i've knocked back plenty of chances for sex with girls before for various reasons, by you're reasoning, you've never done this and neither should i or anyone else have.

The question here was about friendship. Can a guy and a girl be friends without wanting to have sex? I think not, at least not for the guys. I might never happen, but if given the right circumstances, it would.

No, I didn't say that. You can turn down sex, but if you like the girl , you won't. You might try it for a few times, but in the end you will give in. If you don't like the girl, why would you have sex with her? I know I wouldn't.


Ice

if you don't like the girl then you don't have sex with her but just cos u do like the girl doesn't mean u can't turn it down either.

i've knocked back good looking girls i like before (both friends and ex girlfriends)

what your saying is pretty animalistic.

You're not following me... This is a generalization, it's not about individuals or a single event. What I'm saying is that men have built in their system the need to mate. Same as women. And even though this is going to sound sexist and rude, biologically thinking men need to mate with as many partners as they can, women need to give birth to as many childern they can. Therefore men want to mate all the time, women when they're not pregnant. And don't come jumping on me because of this, it's not my idea.

But yeah, I do believe we're somewhat animals even today and are driven by animal instincts, wheather we like it or not. I'm not saying you can't fight them, but they're still there.

Ice

I totally agree. I also agree that it isn't really a problem as long as you know it. It doesn't prevent the two from having a great friendship, but given the opportunity .....

Exactly.

Ice

Well I guess some of us are just more driven by animal desires than others but that's cos everyone's different which I respect - but you seem not to!

You've got it in your heads that every guy feels the same as you do and try to attribute that to some "inherant sexual characteristic of males". On the otherhand you could take me, and a lot of others, who value girls for their friendship and dont want anything more than that. I have girlfriend and we've been together for a year. I also have a lot of female friends (about 70% of my friends are female) but I can put my hand on my heart and say that I haven't wanted to have sex with ANY of them - except my partner. That doesn't make me wierd. I personally think it gains a lot more respect from girls if they can feel comfortable with you and realise that you aren't gonna try and jump into their knickers at the drop of a hat. For instance, I have turned down chances to sleep with several girls in the past (one of which was my ex-girlfriend, who I was with at the time, because I felt it was too soon!!!) What or where do your theories apply to my situation then?!?!

Didn't I say something earlier about being too quick to GENERALISE? Hmmmmm...................

I think you are too quick to judge people. You obviously know nothing about me.

Don't tell me what I think, read my posts before you act.

You SO missed the point of what I said earlier.

No, however, your post does.

Good for you.

Where, oh where, did I say I had a theory about anything? Again, READ before you post.

Yeah. Maybe you should obey your own rules more often.

Ice