Why we should support the war.

The past few weeks have show just how big a thug, and a bully the US is in foreign affairs. If they had have got a second resolution, it would have been by bullying, and presurising other countries into something they don't agree with. I think the US have show that they are more than capable of being bullies, and thugs..... and Britain and Austrailia are just as much to blame for suporting them

I agree..... Although there are certainly I'm sure some people like that, I doubt it will be anything like a majority. At the end of the day, they're profesinalls. I'd also have a lot of respect for anybody who signed up because they believe in this war, as although I don't agree with the war, it takes a lot of courage to stand up and fight for your beliefs, and anybody who does it should recieve our respect.

They're not doing it as an act of charity, it will boost The US and British economy's substancially, especially America's. Rebuilding Iraq is certainly one of the reasons I fear we have gone to war for!

Why? I think Choc wrote something about the German leaders being voted in because of their anti war stance! Would you respect them if they went against a promise made which helped get them into power? "Chirac only got in" This is a very very weak, and unsubstanciated comment. I don't know that much about this specific case, but from studying other elections, for other countries, there is never one reason why somebody get's into power. Even in the most seemingly obvious cases, there will be a number of issues involved, and I'm sure that if you were to debate this amongst historians you would inevitably find that each one has a different stance on the most imporatant issue which got Chirac into power. Again, I can't really elaborate on the topic, but to say that I think you are unfair, and unacurate in your claim.


Maybe if it's an illigual war like this one. But I doubt that anybody other then America has the power to simply ignore the rest of the world, so I doubt you'll get a situation that would allow the US not to help.


oh, it was only 700, and gosh, they were only Kosovon's at that. .... I hope you see just how horrifying the word 'only' is in what you wrote. 700 people is a huge number as far as I'm concened, I don't think that you can just put things like this down as stats, it's dangerous, and just shows a lack of humanity.

I don't understand why religion has anything to do with it. I hope he comes hope, as with all the soldiers. Prefereably tomorrow, with the Allies putting an end to this war. However, I doubt that he will ever return a hero as such, as the certainly the people in Britain, aren't behind the war. It's such an unpopular war, and it's cause seems (certainly to me) to be so unjustified, that the people who fight and die aren't fighting for our freedom, or world piece, but for politicical, and economical reasons, as opposed to the morral reasons they'd like us to believe. I don't doubt that he's brave, I don't doubt even that's he's worthy of being a hero for his bravery, however, I doubt that the people who fight now will ever be hero's, or at least, not in the way people have been hailed who faught in the 2nd world war. . . . . The longer the war lasts, the more casualties they are, the more people will get restless, and thus less aperciative of the bravery the soldiers show. Just look at Vietnam for instance, they didn't return hero's, but they faught as bravely as the people who returned form the 2nd world war!


Now you're just showing you're ignorance. Where have you got that the majority of protestor's are women???? I've noticed (from watching the march in Manchester...work ment I couldn't attend, but the march went right past the place I work at, so I did witness it first hand) that there is a real mix, younger people, students, men, women, British people, foreign people..... Hmmm, so you're telling me that if you had a child now, you wouldn't let them see a newspaper, watch the news, or anything on the war. Everything we read, or hear at the moment is Western propaganda, and thus is brain washing, but pro war, pro America.


???? So you're saying that because I live in the West, and enjoy a good standard of living, I should just go along with whatever I'm told by my government, because at the end of the day how does it effect me? You see, it's called principles, and standing up for what you believe in. I'm very glad I have the rights I do, and I feel that it's my duty to protest, and oppose America's bully boy tactics... we don't like your regime, so we're going to muscle our way in and change it to suit us.

As for the french and germans, I lost all respect for their leaders a long time ago. Chirac only got in because the french people were terrified of the National Front winning against him. Germany's right wing national parties are gaining a stronghold in Eastern Germany.

Mike mcrock -
Why? I think Choc wrote something about the German leaders being voted in because of their anti war stance! Would you respect them if they went against a promise made which helped get them into power? "Chirac only got in" This is a very very weak, and unsubstanciated comment. I don't know that much about this specific case, but from studying other elections, for other countries, there is never one reason why somebody get's into power. Even in the most seemingly obvious cases, there will be a number of issues involved, and I'm sure that if you were to debate this amongst historians you would inevitably find that each one has a different stance on the most imporatant issue which got Chirac into power. Again, I can't really elaborate on the topic, but to say that I think you are unfair, and unacurate in your claim.

From what im aware the national front of france are a extreme party with some very contraversial(SP) issues. So it could be a very valid reason as to why chirac came into power.

I'm sorry, are we talking about the same war???? America is the agressor, as far as I'm concerned, the UN voted against it, and America shown their disreguard for the international communtiy by going agains this. America is effectively breaking a UN ruling, wait, isn't that why we're going to war, America is breaking a UN ruling to defend another one, yeah right! This won't deter anybody, it will just provoke terrorism, which is what we are being told is one of the issues the war is being faught over.


What a lode of shit. I didn't take part in the protest because I have exams in a few weeks time, and I can't afford to miss the time off. That's the same for a lot of people. If I was in a situation where I could catch up on the work easily, I'd have been out.
No you see you've missed the point. The war is wrong, and people who believe this will always stand up and say this, even if it won't make any difference. There was never even a debate on this war or not... the UN didn't support it, the British people didn't support it, as far as I'm awear the American people didn't support it but we're still doing it. If we don't stand up when we think something is wrong, then governments will walk all over us. It's as important to protest now, as it's important to let the Government know that people are still against it. Then at least, if a future crisis happens, maybe popular opinion will be taken into account.



I don't know about this, and true, if they are specifically targetting this place, they're persuing the wrong avenue. The protests I know of, have all targetted main roads, and city access. The point is, they want to recreate the same level of disturbance as Iraq is facing, try to bring the reality of war to people, as for a lot of people the war is somethign that doesn't effect them, that is just happening somewhere else.
I wouldn't ask anybody to go to Baghdad, and I hope nobody else does something so stupid. Subjecting yourself to what is happening in Baghdad is not going to achieve anything, and will just have you labled an extreemist, which isn't going to help the cause, and is most likely just going to get you killed. Everybody is worth more alive than dead, so killing yourself wont' do anybody any good


I am calling you a racist, and very very ignorant. "Most of them" rubbish isn't needed, as you one again generalise, and who you've obviously not seen any of the marches, protests first hand.

"they just wanted to take a dig at what they see as an american entity"

I'm glad you're so well up on what other people want, prey tell how you came to this conclution! Again, I'm calling you a racist as you are failing to see Asian's and Arabics as people who are capable of individual thought, calling them 'them' as if they all have the same beliefs.

I'm sorry,

Tell that the the mother of an Iraqie who will loose her Husband, Sons, Father in this war. Tell that the the Iraqie who will loose their home, and see their family torn appart. So what are you saying, we should support this war out of gratitude for America's past? It's ok to see potensially thousands of people die for something you don't believe in because it's America doing it, and well, we all support America. I ow America nothing, if anything, I blame them for their past foreign policy, that has caused huge problems in Isreal, and is effectely the reason why groups like Alqieda are in existance. Thanks America, for creating a world that is in constant threat, and fear of terrorism. As far as I see it, nobody can stifle their belives, or change their beliefs because they feel they ow it to the govenment, the fact you would says a lot about you.

Oh yeah, should we "send them all home"????? I take it your a BNP voter then? The way I see it, you're obviously completely anti-democratic, and intollorant of other people, and their beliefs, I see you as a danger to this nation, and thank God that very very few peole think like you!

I guess England has nothing to do with this. I love how your focus is the USA.

I don't dispute for one second that it isn't a valid reason, however it isn't the only reason, as shuggymac1 suggested.

If you're going to make some sort of an assesement as to why a certain paty gets into power you have to study their policies, the opposition, the election results, who was voting for who, the domestic, and foreign issues of that time, the actual parties themselves, how have they done in the past, how divided/together they are, is the figurehead of the party dynamic, e.t.c .e.t.c e.t.c. There are many facts that have to be considered, if after doing that, you come to the conclutiona that there is only one reason involved, then really you just show a lack of political understanding, and an inability to really see, and understand situations...


Even the most clear cut of elections are won and lost on a number of different issues. For instance you could debate that our last election was won by Labour because of....

a)Foreign issue, Conservatives capagned "keep the pound". The British public weren't that bothered, and wanted to be part of European politics.
b)Torries weak/uninspiring and divided. This could be traced to various points, and many differnet reasons coudl be found for this.
c)Voting tendencies. There is always going to be a number of voters who will vote the same way.
d)Britain has come out of Torry dominance, which has had a huge effect on our economy, people have lost faith in the parties economical policies, and thus lost faith in the party.
e)Labour have moved more right wing under Tony Bair, "new Labour"
f)Labour are an attractive party, with dynamic, and interesting characters in the cabinet, and leader, the Tories are a seen as weak, and uninspiring.

The list could go on, I'm just pointing out that there is never jsut one reason. This is just of the top of my head, I haven't studied this in any way shape or form, if I had, I could probably exband on this list quite substancially

I honestly don't think they do. Britain is sort of the puppy dog, trying to run along America's side, playing with the big boys. America said some time last week, that they would go to war with or without Britain's support. I may be wrong here, but if America had voted against a war in the UN, would we be at war now???? I'm guessing not.

I'm not saying Britain should be part of this war, I think they are as guilty as they are taking part. Britain in many way's politically has to go along with America, they're always seen as each other's biggest allies, and for Britain to break this, woudl be far to big of a risk. This is the reason I think it was passed through the HOC, and the reason that British public opinion has been disregaureded as it has.

The UK is as guilty for taking party, but I don't think they had anything to do with the desision to go to war. It may seem like they did, but at the end of the day, whatever Britain wanted, what ever Britain did, it wouldn't have had any bearing on the fact that we are now at war. However, I think America held all the cards, and ultimately make their desision in issolation, by saying they woudl do it with or without the support of the international communtiy.

And you know this because.....
How do you know that Tony Blair wasn't behind this??? The UK doesn't have to do anything it doesn't want to. You all say that Bush is so stupid and ignorant, so how do you know that we are not going along with the UK?
Why does the blame focus on us? That is racist and ignorance right there.

Plus, you have no proof to back that up. You are going with the stereotypical "USA is always the bad guy."

Apparently you didn't read Mike McRock's post closely enough, as it answers all your questions.

UK hasn't got the military power to do this alone. And US stated publically that it is ready to do it alone, so pleeeeeeaaaaaseee!

I'm not being racist at all. I'm talking about the USA as a nation, as a power, as opposed to the US people.

The fact is, America has the military capabilities to act alone, Britain doesn't.

If Tony Blair is the one behind everything, then how come it was America who made the first move. How come it was American intligence, and not British that took the report on Saddam.

If Britain was beind it, why were America saying that they would act without a second resolution, when TB was always pushing for one. How come Britain were angling for Saddam to dispose of his weapons of mass destruction, whereas the US wanted complete disarmamnet?

I'm making a judgement that the US are the main factor involved, as they have the power, and seem to be calling the shots.

Are you saying that you think TB is beind it, and that the USA are going along with him? I know that you're not, because I've read your other posts, and know you to be better than such a narrow view. You may be right, we don't know everythign that has been going on, but the probability that the USA is being sucked into a war by Britian is increadibly slim.....

Britain has somehting to gain by supporting America, they will improve their power status, and will continue to have a strong relationship with America.
What would America stand to gain by supporting Britain. In what way would it be a diplomatic disaster for America to go against Britain?


Of cource there isn't. There's no proof that oil is a factor in this war, there is no proof even that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!

I'm not going with a steriotype at all, and to be honest I think you've insulted me by saying this, as I know you've at least apreciated what I've said on the issue in other topics. I'm not steriotyping them at all, I'm just looking at the whole thing from an anylitical point of view, tyring to make a judgement. The fact is, nobody knows what is happening, nobody has proof, and all we have been doing here for the past month has been making judgements. I've made these judgements as I've leant to do through studying history, assesing possiable reasons, looking at the political situation, power situation e.t.c. My opinion, is that it is America who wanted a war, and that becauase of America's power, they were always going to get what they wanted. That's not saying they are the bad guy, as far as I see it, Britain are jsut as much 'the bad guy' for going to war! In supporting America, I see Britain as being just as much in the wrong! [/quote]

lol. I managed to write that in a 600 word post!!!!!!!!

This has previously been said of the Bible, the Koran..... and now my posts have been added to the list