xbox 360 or wii?

I have tried Resi, and don't see anything that makes me want to run out and buy it again when I have it for PS2. And I must ask - surely it is a disappointment that "especially the retro games" make it worth while? Why not buy an old Nes or Snes for a damn sight cheaper if it is the old games that are best?

Perhaps where you live the shops are using Wii's as doorstops, but in my neck of the woods retailers are still not getting enough in. I may not be an expert like yourself on the technical front... but I know more than enough about sales, marketing and the retail industry in Britian to tell you that stores are not being supplied with enough of these consoles. I know, for fact, that many customers are out there, searching in vain for a Wii to purchase. So yes, it is still the problem. Shops are still receiving WAY less Wii units than the 360. It doesn't prove how successful the console has been yet. It proves that there are not enough- and after almost a full year that is not good enough, and I find it hard to believe production is that slow.

Whether or not the PS3 is a flop or not we won't have a realistic idea of for another year at least. Yes, the price has effected sales, no doubt. But Sony have already begun to address that in America and to a lesser extent Britian. The fact is, for the money, consumers receive a lot of power and technology that will allow for further development and improvement in games and services for the next few years. Developers may be finding it tough just now, but that will change, and we'll begin seeing the real power of the PS3.
And I agree about the lack of great games at present, but take away the new control system from the Wii, and how many Wii games are actually that good? The motion sensing aspect of it has over-shadowed the fact that these games are actually quite lazy and not much more innovative than what was released on GC. When games such as MGS4 and GTA IV are released next year, people will specifically go out and buy a PS3 (or possibly a 360 for GTA) just to play these games. The games on Wii do not make people go "WOW", like the affore-mentioned titles are already doing, and very few people rush out to buy the console for one particular game.

Gaming was easy and fun before that. There have been games catered towards younger children for years. Go to a secong-hand games dealer and have a look at their GC section. At the end of the day, Nintendo tried to match the PS2 and XBOX, but just couldn't compete when it came to adult gaming, so focused on the younger market- leading to the consoles early demise. A trap I already see them falling into again with the Wii. Once the novelty of the control system wears off, people will realise the games have little substance and will look elsewhere for their gaming needs, leaving the "2-year-olds" as the main focus of Nintendo's marketing.

And the launch games were also of dubious quality. A point you made about PS3's launch games earlier. Is it not possible Sony and the third-party developers are doing the same thing with their games?

Ok guys, lets just close this thread because Ice has spoken - and he must be right.
Perhaps one should go away and learn how to have an informed debate without dismissing everyone else's opinion just because your ego tells you you know more than anyone else here. If you're not willing to entertain the notion that other people have made valid points, maybe you should have these conversations with some nunchuck weilding two-year-olds who won't dare to argue with you.

As close to one as I can in Finland, their representative in Finland.

It's no contradiction, it's a fact. Every single technique used in the Wii controller has been used before in a game controller, but Wii is the first one to combine them into one, working controller. If that's your idea of innovation, then fine.

Wii's graphical power is basically the same as GameCube, so yes, they pretty much use all the power they can.

I don't think so. I just don't like you.

It's beside the point if you have the game before or not. And still, the Wii version is the best version of the game.

And retro games, at least for me and many others in my generation is one of the best reasons to get Wii. It's easier to play them and buy them on Wii than to hunt down a working old systems and the games for it.

Most of them were much better than either X360's or PS3's launch games.

I'm fine with arguments that come from people who know about the facts they argue about. If you don't know something, don't claim you do.

I don't know where you live, but reports from all over the world show that Wii sells constantly more than PS3, every month, everywhere. It's kinda hard to do if you don't have the product in the stores, don't you think?

It's a flop, we can say it now. It's way too expensive for a normal consumer, it's too much power and lousy games. When it will be affordable and have a decent game catalog in few years, it's competitors will have new consoles out with the same power and smaller cost.


Ice

Why pay for a Wii when you can get emulators freely off the internet that run classic retro games on your PC?

I don't know about you, but personally I've never enjoyed playing games at my PC. I dug out my old megadrive not so long ago and even got a few games on eBay for it.

I'd much rather lay on the couch and play the game using the wireless control and my TV as the monitor than use a keyboard, flatscreen and a windowed, small screen.

Ice

The emulators I have allow for full-screen mode and I have downloaded a program called Joy-to-Key that enables you to map keyboard commands to a joypad. I have it set up just like the old Megadrive configuration and love playing Streets of Rage and all the old Sega classics. Got one for old SNES games too. All for around £179.99 less than you'd pay for a Wii in the shops.

I have all the emulators you can think of on my computer and still the games look better on TV (what they were designed for) and they play better on a controller that was meant for them.

Ice

Well if you think that being able to play them on the TV is worth £180, go for it! I use an XBox 360 controller to play all of the old games on the PC and they work perfectly - just as well as on the original consoles. So for the sake of purity, you're saying that the Wii is worth the money in order to play the retro games then?

I do get the feeling that a certain person in this discussion is biased...