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Old 02-28-2009, 03:08 PM
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This stopped being fun a long, long time ago.
It was never meant to be fun.

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You claim intelligence and yet
I never claimed anything, you did.

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you feel the need to defend unnamed others from a hurt you imagine they are feeling. People are able to speak up for themselves.
Yeah, they are. And like I said, anytime you try to tell someone is wrong for liking something, I'm going to react. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who think they're better than others just because someone doesn't like the same things they do.

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you are signally unable to grasp the point of my original post
No, I grasped it alright. I just disagree with it very strongly. No music is more intelligent or dignified than other. Especially when your talking about bands like Poison and Cheap Trick.

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you believe all music is of equal merit - just so blatently untrue i don't even know where to begin
No, not untrue. It's a question of taste. Just like the most delicate gourmet meal might be lost to you, it doesn't mean it's crap. Also, it doesn't mean that a cheeseburger wouldn't be just as good. It's a question of taste. Something you cannot measure and can't judge. All music is of the same value, the people just like different things. And should be allowed to do so without stupid people telling them they're wrong.

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You resort to attacks significantly more personal than those you are decrying yourself and fail to see the irony
Just keeping up with you. The irony is that you can't grasp what's being discussed and still try to use the same arguments dismissed a long time ago.

[quote]You are a fantasist, with little grasp of logic or reasoning and an amazing ability to deliberately misread people's statements[/quote]

Wasn't it you who spoke about personal insults and irony? Well, pot kettle etc.


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You dismiss the idea that an openness to new ideas and an understanding of how music works can deapen it's impact. yes, i mean emotionally.
No, YOU do exactly that. You're so hung up on complexity and chor progressions that you totally missed that. If you were open, you'd say, "Oh, I don't like the Poison songs people seem to like, maybe I should look into this. Why do they like this and I don't". Instead, you call them idiots. Again, insults and irony. From YOU.

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Lack a basic understanding of rights.
No. Freedom of speech let's you say basically what you want. But morally you can't dismiss the opinions of others. And you certainly can't insult people because of their opinions.

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You say "you do not get to tell them their wrong, because you know nothing about them" and yet over the last few points have told me I have low self esteem and that i know nothing about music, cast aspersions about my intelligence and called me an asshole. Are you at all self-aware?
I never said YOU had any of those things. I said that the way you act implies those things. Looks like I hit home. And I never said you know nothing about music. And I also didn't call you an asshole. I called people who tell others they're idiots for liking someone assholes. According to you, you don't do that. So?

And what a wonderful way to completely dismiss the arguments I gave. Again, a classic sign of a person who doesn't know how to back up their arguments. Say that "this isn't fun anymore, I'm going home" and then thinking they were right. No, you just gave up.

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