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Old 11-04-2007, 01:11 PM
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No, but better than Richie and Jon together are. Jon is shit and Richie is great, while Def Leppard has 2 guitar players who understand eachother.

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Yeah I got that. And I agree with you, Jon is shit, Richie is great.
I was just making a bad joke since I'm so fed up with all the extra musicians on stage, plus the fact that I'm extremely bored at work.
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i agree that viv anderson & steve collen are loads better than jon & richie together but def leppard technically better than bon jovi???


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Old 11-05-2007, 01:26 AM
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i agree that viv anderson & steve collen are loads better than jon & richie together but def leppard technically better than bon jovi???


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You mean Vivian Campbell and Phil Collen.
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i agree that viv anderson & steve collen are loads better than jon & richie together but def leppard technically better than bon jovi???


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Man, before you try to start an argument, you'd better get your facts straight.

And yes, both Vivian Campbell and Phil Collen could play rings around Richie. So they are technically better.

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Man, Viv's work with Dio is ****ing awesome!!!

Sometimes I think he must be feeling a bit bored playing with the Leps since there is nothing really challenging for him to play, but he says that it's challenging to him on a vocal sense so that's something.
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Technically better is technically better - but at the end of the day music is about feelings. If it tickles your ticklish bits, then you like and prefer it to stuff that doesn't.

Bon Jovi tickle my bits.
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Throughout the 90s, Def Leppard was much more successful in the US than Bon Jovi. Look it up on the Billboard website.

I guess Bon Jovi were than a bit more lucky with Crush than Def Leppard with X and this made all the difference. Both albums are cheap POP records, on both there is a song written by Max Martin, but one was successful and the other one wasn't.

Regarding the looks, I think Def Leppard also tried to adjust. In some clips/picturd Joe Eliot literally looks like an overaged Barbie doll.

another aspect is that Bon Jovi are American. What British band made it really big lately or is sill relevant? Maybe The Stones. U2 are from Ireland so they don't count. America has many more: metallica, aerosmith, chilli peppers, springsteen and even pearl jam.

I would add Jons looks and the fact that housewives are more loyal fans who also talk their kids into listening to the same music. In the 80s Def Leppard had more headbangers in their audience than Bon Jovi. Those guys are middle-aged men now who don't give a shit about Leppard, as opposed to the groupies who still have fantasies with JBJ.

I guess all of this explains it quite a bot. However, most important is in my opinion the come-back album. Crush hit big time. X failed.
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Old 11-07-2007, 04:40 AM
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Technically, I prefer Tico to Rick (I told a friend I think if Tico got his arm lopped off so they both had the same holyshit factor, Tico'd end up with more press in the long run because he's better), and I'd say Alec vs Sav is no contest in Sav's favor but I'm not sure about Hugh vs. Sav. Guitars, I'm torn...I think for the most part if you sat Richie, Phil and Viv all down and had them play the exact same thing it'd be a closer match - Phil and Viv are still better, but I think it's emphasized more thanks to their chemistry and I think more allowance for guitar showing-off in Lepp songs than Jovi songs. And Jon vs Joe depends entirely on my mood, although I won't argue that Jon beats Joe live now. Jovi's lyrics tend to be less...well, stupid.

I think Jovi just got lucky with IML, they just managed to hit at the right time and place with the right song to blow up. Lepp could've done it, they just...didn't for any number of reasons.
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I think Jovi just got lucky with IML, they just managed to hit at the right time and place with the right song to blow up. Lepp could've done it, they just...didn't for any number of reasons.
And also, IML is a great song.
It may not have the most mature lyrics, but it has that kind of "brilliance in it's simplicity" thing IMHO.
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