I find myself literally laughing at my computer when I read someone saying Motley Crue isn't relevant. I'd place a fair wager that more than half the bands you listen to would list Motley Crue as an influence on them.

What is your pre-requistite for "survival"? Motley Crue played an entire sold-out arena tour a few years back, and are currently in the midst of another right now. If you want to base an artists success soley on chart success, I guess we should never talk about bands like Led Zeppelin or Pink Flloyd, who combined have had less hit singles than either the Crue or Def Leppard.

And as for grunge and Brit-pop that wiped the Crue out of the arenas that they are still selling out, where have those bands gone?

Good arguement.

As for Def Leppard, if you can find one successfull pop or rock group that doesn't list Pyromania as a major influence on them, please list them.

Not liking a band is one thing. Talking out of your ass based on lack of respect is another.