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And regarding The Edge - I think (partially) he was referring to all that crazy delay and other effects stuff that The Edge uses all the time, which indeed isn't anywhere near as "replaceable" as the stuff Richie plays in BJ songs. But of course it's harsh and provocating and probably meant this way... |
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But yeah, it's still definitely added a whole new sinister slant to this little soap opera .. Andi |
The whole interview sounds like him complaining and being pissed at everybody. It's either a case of the old UK tabloid equals newspaper or one of Jon in a very bad mood. In any case, it seems rather forced to me. I'm sure they talked about a million things, but the reporter purposely decided to put it all together to make Jon look like an old grumpy asshole, which seems to be rather the fashion in the UK.
About Richie. Again, I don't know if these quotes are legit or not. If they are, Jon's royally pissed and wants Richie to spill the beans at once. And if they are, it doesn't seem to me like something alcohol-related - at least not entirely - because he's really making it sound like Richie just hates him or wouldn't bother to play with the band or something. I don't know, really. All I know is, if this account is true (can't stress it enough), then it's all really going downhill by the minute. |
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Yep, big time. I think Jon is seeing the ticket sales fall off a cliff and is getting rather hacked off with Sambora.
But he will still say hes sold out every gig!, sell out world tour. To be honest im past caring now and have even given my tickets away, its a shambles ! Havnt listened to WAN for weeks i have no desire to anymore. Instead i have been going back to my first music icon , ADAM ANT Get his new album folks promise you no other artist has ever sounded like him, no one ever will. He has not copied anybody to be mainstreamand the fans are flocking to his shows. The best live tour in the last 2 years |
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It got to a point where the only sell good tickets in cities they have a reputation like Munich. The backlash has started. They stopped catering for loyal ROCK fans and the casual audience is not prepared for BJ every two years. Simple fact! |
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Jon is a ****ing arrogant. He says proudly that they are a brotherhood, but the sad fact is that Jon is a tyrant and an egocentric.
This is the TRUE Bon Jovi. http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/314...onofrichie.jpg The Passion of Richie. |
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Richie bails the day of the show and Jon is the arrogant ass? You've got Richie so high on your pedestal that basic facts are just passing you by.
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'I hate how evil Jon is holding Richie's amazing talents down' is another good one. I just realised you were refering to rolo. I think he was joking based on his previous posts, but it does represent a popular viewpoint here. |
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Jon has seriously insulted his "brother" Richie and has underrated him as a musician with the comparison of The Edge from U2. I think this fact deserves a response. Jon has gone too far. |
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I used to mock Bono and U2 for some of their output, taking their fans for granted and releasing sh*t like 'Lemon'... but they listened to their core fanbase and went back to what they do best. What's left? A great, big, rock 'n' roll show... not anymore. Jon plays guitar on anywhere between 11 and 14 songs per night now and the rest he stands there and strangles the mic stand. |
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The Edge comment was insulting, no doubt, but you could also say Jon might have used that comparison to light a fire under Richie; same with the last comment, where he says you either get yourself together and thrive or say "I hate my brother' and leave the band.
It reads to me like a last-ditch effort to get Richie to 'wake up' and, barring that, an ultimatum to stay or to leave. Both are by design imo, to get a response from Richie. |
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However, the rest of the interview is on the spot. As much as I hate this situation, I completely understand Jon being upset with Richie continuing his silence, which does nothing but harm to the rest of the band. |
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About what you mentioned, sure, something's definitely broken. I don't know what it is. At the end of the day, I like their latest efforts. But even those of us that like them still long for that passion, those solos or whatever. And yeah, they're surely not getting any new fanbase, but the big problem is they're losing some of the die-hards. I don't know what the "Richie thing" is all about, but it'll probably lead to some big changes, 'cause this wound is really getting so bad that it will leave a scar. |
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This could get good if Richie returns fire at Jon. Balls clearly in his court.
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Also, as a fan of the new stuff, you should surely be used to hearing the same stuff over and over again, just with a slightly different words ;) You'll notice I didn't think that was what Rolo meant, hence my comment. Easily done. Just trying to stick up for him before the Pro-Jon's tear him to shreds. |
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I'm starting to think there is no proper reason for him not being there, which is why they label it personal. He simply doesn't want to be there anymore. |
And now Im asking to myself.... what about all the stuff that Obie said in the last few shows? Did he lie? Was this interview made a long time ago and was written now?
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I think Richie is in a bad place man made or whatever and being called out. If Jon wanted to fire him he would have done so. I mean any other band would fire a guy who has bailed this many times. Everyone else grew up, seems Richie may be gone permanently soon. |
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I didn't say that a topic being discussed to death is not worth discussing, I was just saying the whole old vs. new has been discussed elsewhere, I think it's got its own thread as well. And that's absolutely not to say it's not okay/worth/appropriate to discuss it here as well, I was just making the point that Rolo was talking about the interview. And he even confirmed it in his next post. I'm not sure defining me a fan of the new stuff is appropriate. It almost sounds like I prefer the new stuff over the old one, I don't. I just don't mind the new stuff. Would I jump up and down in excitement if they brought some of the old passion to their new stuff? You can bet on it. Do I miss it somehow? Sure. Do I hate the latest releases? Not at all. Also, my point to Rolo was exactly that: why should there be "pro-Jon" or "pro-Richie" about this, before we even know anything? I say, let's judge the facts. Unfortunately, we don't have many of those so far. |
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Jon is not to blame here - at least not professionally. None of us know what has gone on behind the scenes. And yes - I think Jon is frustrated and is starting to lash out hoping to get a reaction out of Richie. Keep in mind that the rest of the band (not just Jon) is paying for Richie's behavior. |
Given the amount of stories coming into the UK press, it looks like Jon has done one of his favourite hotel room junkets for the British press, and after everyone comes and asks him about Richie, the mask of pretence has slipped and he has let slip a bit more than he has done previously. It's what I've said before about him doing these and why he looks so miserable in certain interviews, get asked the same question over and over and eventually he will break.
The end of this tour couldn't come soon enough there's a lot of patching up to be done on all sides to this, no-one is coming out of it particularly well at all. |
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And I do think it is time for Richie to either rejoin or resign. |
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So help me God, if Richie comes out with one of his goofy tweets and doesn't address the issue soon I will just shoot myself. No wonder Jon's pissed. No need for me to repeat what others have said, but it's time for Richie to man up and make a statement. Any sympathy I had toward him is gone. |
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Wow, some people really need to prioritize their life better.
Richie is a grown adult with no contractual obligation to you or anybody but the band. He will make a statement if he wants to. You guys DEMAND an explanation? Don't make me laugh. It's time for him to rejoin or resign? Yeah you surely know what has to be done. I miss the Sambongo jokes and the conspiracy theories. This thread has become pitiful and full or resentfulness. |
Am I stating the obvious when I say this will be the last 'Bon Jovi' tour for atleast 5 years?
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