ON the Matt tweet - He would have just said... 'Bad reporting', no need for the 'not.' Jon said it, Jon meant it.
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for those on twitter, are fans bombarding Richie with all the negativity and how crap and let down we feel or are we still playing nice like with the girls crying over at his side of the stage!?
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Just a thought on the replaceable thing - Jon can't really say Richie's irreplaceable since he's been faced with the reality that he may well have to replace him. It's almost like being put in a corner.
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Richie has really lost a lot of respect from me. Jon is about ready to talk and understandably so, just somebody reach the man and let some steam off of Jon and the guys, the only thing they are guilty of is keeping the Bon Jovi machine going maybe a bit too consistently.
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Isn't it weird that he's also basically saying, not that Edge is necessarily better than Richie, but acknowledging that Edge is irreplaceable in the sense that he plays about 20 different guitars every night and has an insane, intricate set-up that allows him to reproduce the complex sonics of the albums live.
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As much as I have defended Jon over these two months and slagged Richie off, Jon had no right to say it the way it was printed. I'd still much prefer the video of the interview to make it sure that he really said it. That'd be the first move on Jon's part in this situation which I wouldn't support. |
So, Richie couldn't fill a 2,000 seat theater in a 9 million population city (NYC) just a few months ago.
On the other hand, lots of fans are complaining and do not want to see Bon Jovi without him. The conclusion - Richie is mostly popular as a Bon Jovi band member, not on his own. Hopefully, he can realize that himself and come back soon. |
They have to fix your damn problems.
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That Edge comment is very strange. It would be easy peasy to get someone in to replace the Edge. U2's guitar work is even more simple than Bon Jovi's. Is he trying to say Edge is a more important member of U2 than Richie is Bon Jovi? It's not looking very promising going by these interviews. |
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Richie really needs to break his radio silence. Bon Jovi is his bread and butter. Without Bon Jovi he would have even fewer fans of his solo work. He's losing the respect of Bon Jovi fans and his solo fans by not talking about why he's not touring. |
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I think what Jon was trying to say is that because of Edge's pedals and whole setup U2 wouldn't have been aple to play a show on night-of notice that he's wasn't showing up.
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Could he also mean, the reason why the Edge had to not perform was because of his daughters illness? And thankfully that is not the case for Richie? Jon says God Forbid and then uses The Edge as an example. His daughter got cancer and U2 cancelled the tour. I took Jon saying God forbid, if that would have been the case, Bon Jovi would have cancelled but thank God, its not illness with his daughter. I probably didn't explain it good. |
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The problem Jovi have re ticket sales is not no Richie but an over kill of touring in last 6 years.
There's a recession on and people are picking and choosing their gigs more carefully. If a non die hard has seen them twice in last few years he wont go again especially if other bands he is interested in are touring. |
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I think Jon was referring so himself. I also think that Richie's situation is not as extreme as The Edge leave U2.
He said: “It’s getting more and more difficult every day to not just sit here and say something... Because all I can say is this — it’s for personal reasons. He’s been through it before, fortunately for us the same guy who filled in last time was available this time. (He has already been through this, I think it refers to missing for personal reasons, not to make it again for the alcohol). “Life goes on, so if someone chooses not to be here... unlike if this were, God forbid, The Edge, and he for some reason couldn’t make a U2 show, [then] it would be very difficult to just step in. (The Edge is the guitarist for U2, he decided to leave for religious reasons, fortunately returned to the group, Bono was going to find a substitute for the Edge, but he returned. Regarding Jon about Richie's case is not The Edge's case, Jon says he's not in this situation thanks to God, and that Richie will return, IMO.) “You have a choice — you either figure it out, go and grow, not only survive but thrive. Or, you say, ‘I hate my brother and I’m gonna quit the band. (Jon does not refer to Richie. Refers to him, and what he says is that if lack Richie has that choice: I hate Richie because you can not be on the tour, and canceling the show or move on and await the return of Richie.) I think Jon refers to himself when he says: ‘I hate my brother and I’m gonna quit the band. |
He said 'if Edge had to leave for some reason.' He wasn't being specific or drawing a parallel with Edge leaving because of his daughter.
It's very widely known how important Edge's role in U2 is, particularly for live shows. I only own one U2 album but i've read countless articles over the years talking about and detailing the guy's insane live set-up. If you read the music mags in the UK and are really interested in music outside of JBJ Land then this stuff is pretty common knowledge. |
The "Figure it out or say ' I hate my brother, I quit the band'" comment from Jon was definately an ultimatum. He wants Richie to make up his mind, as soon as possible. It also shows that their relationship is in a deep crisis. Even if Richie comes back, I doubt their friendship will fully recover from this.
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Whatever the reason behind this all is, there has to be *something* real, personal or professional. After all, I don't think Rich would have bailed if he was happy with the current way of things, personal or professional.
As far as I can think of, the blame could just as well be on Jon as on Rich. Until someone says something that actually clears the situation. The way things are at the moment, the band is losing ticket sales, that is nothing elso should make Jon at least slightly unhappy. And Rich, depends on the actual reason, can for all I know be smiling his ass off while fans do prove that he's considered irreplaceable. No matter what, I know few fans who are going to see them for the first time. Such fans lose the most in this situation. |
I don't want to be pedantic regarding The Edge, but much of the sound set up is done live by the guitar tech backstage, See the behind the scenes of Bon Jovi - this tour, there's a giant pedal board operated by Takumi, be it for Richie or for Phil X. Settings are pre-assigned depending on which guitar is used on which song.
Pete Malandrone, Brian May's tech, operates all the differing set ups backstage, leaving just a selection of pedals on stage which don't need re-setting. Rack Mounted kit is similarly handled these days. How often do you see the top guitarists on stage bending down to twiddle all the knobs on their pedals between numbers? Very seldom, they just want to segway quickly and effortlessly between completely different guitar sounds. Jon talks Richie at @1.40 (Austrian) |
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Every day I check this thread hoping for some new news. Still waiting.
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I think it's a power struggle, something smells rotten in Bon Jovi.
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In regard to The Edge, has anybody seen "It Might Get Loud?" with him, Jimmy Page and Jack White? Awesome. Not only did it make me want to learn more about The Edge and Jimmy Page, it made me want to learn guitar. It also explains that, yeah, his setup is pretty beastly, but easily manipulated.
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