Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1288136)

There are a couple of different ways to slice the "I feel sorry for Jon"

Do I feel sorry for a world-famous guy who is worth at least half a billion with a perfect family? Absolutely Not

But if I just focus on the musical standpoint, then yes. His voice went through 2 stages. Failure to hit notes 2017-2018 and then failure to sing 2020-2021.

Any artist who loses their craft before their time is sad. Blaming Jon for overturning is like blaming Tom Brady for playing too many football games. It's what they are born to do. The combination of Hard Work, Natural Talent, & Luck will bring 1% of the population to the top and when they lose that, I feel bad for them in that regard.

I feel very comfortable with Jon's performance of Who Says. Sure it wasn't perfect but it showed me that he's capable of doing some type of run. I think when Jon initially filmed "Thank You, Goodnight", he really thought this was the end and now I think he's surprised himself.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1288138)

I don't buy the "he went out there to make money knowing his vocals were damaged". 2017-2018 was passable. Not great but it's not like it was for 2020 onwards.



2020 onwards had, consertiavely if I had to guess, 50 shows over 4 years. Dude ain't making as much moeny with short tours. To act like he staged a 200 show tour knowing he couldn't sing is a wild take.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1288139)

And to add onto this, in order to even put out an album, record companies require touring for promotion and a possible split % in profits.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1288138)

I don't buy the "he went out there to make money knowing his vocals were damaged". 2017-2018 was passable. Not great but it's not like it was for 2020 onwards.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1288138)

2020 onwards had, consertiavely if I had to guess, 50 shows over 4 years. Dude ain't making as much moeny with short tours. To act like he staged a 200 show tour knowing he couldn't sing is a wild take.

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1288144)

I disagree. He would have been aware then that his vocals were in trouble. No it wasn't as bad as 2020. But he knew. Hell, we knew. We were talking about it on here daily 2017-2018.



Ain't making much money? Seriously? The band will still make at least a couple of million per show. Not bad for a days work! Even with 20 shows in a year, that's lot of money...

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1288145)

For Point A) I can't seriously take what this board says and use it as what the general public thinks though. Of course we noticed it but I didn't think his voice was "ripping off the fans" territory. The last 4 years, absolutely. I think he knew his voice was in trouble but if sales were strong and the press didn't tear him to shreds, I didnt have a problem with him going on the road.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1288145)

For Point 2) Oh they made money yeah, I just think people are using the 2022 tour and compairing it to older worldwide tours and taking advantage of people. It wasn't the cash cow previous tours was with less multiple shows for city and more stretches of days off in between but the whole thing was what, a month? But I also don't think it should have happened and he should have hung it up before.

Originally Posted by Falco (Post 1288150)

Curious, is there a chance the vocal surgery will put him back to his 2008-2011 vocal resurgence? Even if the odds are slim to the none, there's still a chance his voice could far exceed expectations next tour, no?

Originally Posted by Falco (Post 1288150)

Curious, is there a chance the vocal surgery will put him back to his 2008-2011 vocal resurgence? Even if the odds are slim to the none, there's still a chance his voice could far exceed expectations next tour, no?