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linnea.cfc32_jovibandana 05-23-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1132398)
Some people are taking the fashion thing too seriously. He might just happen to be working on the fashion line at the moment, he's been doing it on and off for years. It's not like he's come out and dedicated the rest of his life to making corsets.

No obviously not... and even if he feels like doing it at the moment, it most probably isn't the reason he's not touring. Just sayin that he should really make an official statement now before this turns into an even bigger clusterf*ck than it already is. :(

ezearis 05-23-2013 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1132393)
I'm pretty sure it's libellous to quote someone directly when no interview took place. The Daily Mail are are crude but they aren't that stupid surely. They could have covered their arse by quoting "a close friend" instead of saying Richie spoke to them.

What Richie is supposed to have said isn't the strange thing but rather the fact he would publicly speak negatively of Jon, but Jon recently alluded to Richie having substance abuse issues so who knows.

The whole thing stinks.

Acually, they quote a friend at the end, but they say they spoke with Richie and quote him in the article. That's what's making me doubt, you just can't madek up that you talk with someone and publish make up quotes.

Mysterytrain 05-23-2013 01:18 AM

So, I'll play devil's advocate and try to see this from Richie's POV:

Even if Jon thinks Richie's fashion stuff is frivolous, that doesn't excuse the allusions he made to Richie being back on the bottle.

I'm guessing that those comments (along with the diss about him versus The Edge) is what made Richie speak up now. He feels he can't let blatant insults just stand.

It would have been better if Jon had just blacklisted the Richie question from the start, or stuck to the 'personal issues' statement or 'ask Richie' statement, without inferring anything, but if he at the heart of things doesn't respect Richie's other interests, I can see where that would drive a wedge between them.

I can see Richie's point in his comment that Jon is 'making it very hard for me to come back' with the latest couple of interviews he's done. If there was any goodwill about Richie's eventual return to the band, those interviews have done a lot to squash it.

Slakk 05-23-2013 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1132415)
So, I'll play devil's advocate and try to see this from Richie's POV:

Even if Jon thinks Richie's fashion stuff is frivolous, that doesn't excuse the allusions he made to Richie being back on the bottle.

I'm guessing that those comments (along with the diss about him versus The Edge) is what made Richie speak up now. He feels he can't let blatant insults just stand.

It would have been better if Jon had just blacklisted the Richie question from the start, or stuck to the 'personal issues' statement or 'ask Richie' statement, without inferring anything, but if he at the heart of things doesn't respect Richie's other interests, I can see where that would drive a wedge between them.

I can see Richie's point in his comment that Jon is 'making it very hard for me to come back' with the latest couple of interviews he's done. If there was any goodwill about Richie's eventual return to the band, those interviews have done a lot to squash it.

Wait, they are in the middle of a world tour and RICHIE DECIDES TO QUIT AND DO FASHION???? And the band is supposed to support him??? Really? (Not pointed at you but at Richie)

I think it is hard for them NOT to say something when they are the ones having to do press for the tour and Richie is finding his inner Calvin Klein. I would have a hard time biting my tongue.

He is either bi polar, delusional or on drugs/alcohol. Is he taking life coach lessons from Lindsey Lohan???

Jonty 05-23-2013 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JoviJovi (Post 1132359)
I realize the daily mail is a tabloid, but do they manufacture actual quotes? I know tabloids in the US stop just short of what will get them sued (usually) and this would definitely be grounds for a lawsuit if he didn't say those words.

Likely to be more true than false! It is not The Mirror or The Sun.

jessycardy 05-23-2013 01:28 AM

Two quick questions:

1) Do some people here honestly believe Richie would just leave these (very random) statements to the first UK tabloid after having tweeted just a few hours ago that he was not gonna say anything because there is too much to say for him at the moment?

2) Why do some people think Jon alluded to Richie being back on the alcohol problem? That's just what gossip sites want you to believe, but that's not the truth here. They take Jon's words ("been through this before") out of context and try to make it look like Jon's outing Richie. And of course, after that's been settled, they take care of the rest and make up Richie's response to it. Can't you see it?

WillRunForChocolate 05-23-2013 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1132372)
Well if it's not a true statement from Richie, now would be the time for him to make a real statement. Not via twitter either, but this is just my opinion.

Yes. No more vague "I'm effing fine - don't worry" tweets. I don't care if his personal issues are a stupid clothing line or he is drinking again - whatever it is CAN remain his personal business. I respect that. But, in turn, please respect the fans enough to state his intentions. We want to know if he plans to return to Bon Jovi.

jovigirlCT 05-23-2013 01:33 AM

Have been following this thread and have enjoyed a lot of the beginning theories as to why Richie left the tour. I'm not sure I totally believe the interview that Richie supposedly gave. In listening to the interview that Jon gave, he never said that Richie was drinking again, he just said they have been through this before - I took that to mean being on tour with Richie leaving in the middle. I can understand the frustration that Jon and the others must feel since they are having to answer the same questions over and over. If Richis did indeed leave to concentrate on a clothing line, Jon must be extremely frustrated about that and has done everything up to this point not to say anything. After awhile, plus with all the negativity pointed at him, I think Jon has finally reached his boiling point. Who can blame him, the band is out there at every concert giving their all and Richie may be at home working an a clothing line. Hopefully there is still another personal reason beyond that. I will continue to support the band and hope that Richie gets it together and comes back.

Jonty 05-23-2013 01:33 AM

he has been out and about with Ava so why not with his clothing line.

Big fall out with Jon and Richie, Clothing line is a 'personal issue' and Richie is just getting on with life rather than moping around waiting for Jon to call. Jon wont because of his ego and Bonjovi cant say anything as it will kill the tour and band. Richie wont say anything as he still wants to be in the band and so we have gone through this whole 'Personal Issue' saga.

Crushgen24/88 05-23-2013 01:34 AM

This whole mess has officially jumped the shark.

JoviJovi 05-23-2013 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Slakk (Post 1132417)
Wait, they are in the middle of a world tour and RICHIE DECIDES TO QUIT AND DO FASHION???? And the band is supposed to support him??? Really? (Not pointed at you but at Richie)

I think it is hard for them NOT to say something when they are the ones having to do press for the tour and Richie is finding his inner Calvin Klein. I would have a hard time biting my tongue.

He is either bi polar, delusional or on drugs/alcohol. Is he taking life coach lessons from Lindsey Lohan???

This exactly! And Jon said in that interview basically that we've been through this before then went on to talk about the edge. He could have just as easily been referring to the simple fact that they've had to deal with Richie not being on the tour before. "The last time " could mean the last time he left the tour. Right about now they can both kiss my ass but I don't think Jon deserves the shit he is getting for that interview. Richie had 2 months to say something, anything.

Solid Sambora 05-23-2013 01:37 AM

Dial the hysterics back a notch. Is he really likely to have quit FOR the fashion stuff? Is it not more likely that he's quit- 6 weeks ago!- and realised he needs something to fill his time? Got a call from his friend who's said something along the lines of "if you're at a loose end why don't you look at the new lines blah blah?"

rolo_tomachi 05-23-2013 01:43 AM

Sambora will return. I know. ;)

Captain_jovi 05-23-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1132427)
Sambora will return. I know. ;)

Unless he wises up and explains what's going on I don't even want him back.

Slakk 05-23-2013 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1132428)
Unless he wises up and explains what's going on I don't even want him back.

This Times infinity.

Solid Sambora 05-23-2013 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1132427)
Sambora will return. I know. ;)

Unless you ARE Sambora and your "personal reasons" were to spend your time flooding this board with hit & miss photoshops, how do you know?

Becky 05-23-2013 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1132428)
Unless he wises up and explains what's going on I don't even want him back.

Agreed. Long live Phil. I'm sure Richie's clothing line will be as successful as his solo albums.

Solid Sambora 05-23-2013 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1132431)
Agreed. Long live Phil. I'm sure Richie's clothing line will be as successful as his solo albums.

Matt will be wearing some of it to the gym tomorrow.

JoviJovi 05-23-2013 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1132431)
Agreed. Long live Phil. I'm sure Richie's clothing line will be as successful as his solo albums.

I wish I could be like this. I cant wrap my head around a Bon Jovi without Jon, Richie, Dave and Tico no matter how pissed I am at Richie. I would give a solo Jon a shot, I love Destination Anywhere, but if this is what it appears to be, Bon Jovi is done in my eyes. It was ok when there was hope ie would come back but I think that's completely gone now.

JoviJovi 05-23-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1132432)
Matt will be wearing some of it to the gym tomorrow.

HA!!! Thanks for that, I needed a laugh :D

Captain_jovi 05-23-2013 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JoviJovi (Post 1132434)
I wish I could be like this. I cant wrap my head around a Bon Jovi without Jon, Richie, Dave and Tico no matter how pissed I am at Richie. I would give a solo Jon a shot, I love Destination Anywhere, but if this is what it appears to be, Bon Jovi is done in my eyes. It was ok when there was hope ie would come back but I think that's completely gone now.

Yeah this. I'm not saying I support a Richie-less band, I'm saying I don't want him in a band he doesn't want to be in. We can't unknow the last few months so it'd be a weird experience giving a band a ton of money to see an act. I'd rather see Jon make albums few will care about but creatively fulfilling. Perhaps it's the minority viewpoint here but I liked Richie and Jon's recent solo works more so than WAN as a collective.

jessycardy 05-23-2013 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1132437)
Yeah this. I'm not saying I support a Richie-less band, I'm saying I don't want him in a band he doesn't want to be in. We can't unknow the last few months so it'd be a weird experience giving a band a ton of money to see an act. I'd rather see Jon make albums few will care about but creatively fulfilling. Perhaps it's the minority viewpoint here but I liked Richie and Jon's recent solo works more so than WAN as a collective.

I'm torn here. I want Bon Jovi. As in all of them. But I sure as hell don't want an act either. I guess I just really want the happy ending... you know, when the orchestra plays and Richie comes back to them? F**k. I'm way too emotional and stuff for this shit to be happening.

ezearis 05-23-2013 02:27 AM

Richie could stop all this crap by opening up his Facebook and writing a status saying:

"Hey guys, Richie Sambora here. I just wanted to tell you that I'm still a full member of Bon Jovi and that things between and Jon and I are just like they've always been. Don't believe the rumours because they're not true. I also wanted to thank my friend Jon for not speaking about my situation and ask you all to please respect my privacy, I know that might be hard but I swear this is a personal matter and I'll be back with the band".

Or the opposite. But just say something!

WillRunForChocolate 05-23-2013 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1132439)
Richie could stop all this crap by opening up his Facebook and writing a status saying:

"Hey guys, Richie Sambora here. I just wanted to tell you that I'm still a full member of Bon Jovi and that things between and Jon and I are just like they've always been. Don't believe the rumours because they're not true. I also wanted to thank my friend Jon for not speaking about my situation and ask you all to please respect my privacy, I know that might be hard but I swear this is a personal matter and I'll be back with the band".

Or the opposite. But just say something!

I agree. Obviously Richie needs to hire you as his public relations representative!

jessycardy 05-23-2013 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1132439)
Richie could stop all this crap by opening up his Facebook and writing a status saying:

"Hey guys, Richie Sambora here. I just wanted to tell you that I'm still a full member of Bon Jovi and that things between and Jon and I are just like they've always been. Don't believe the rumours because they're not true. I also wanted to thank my friend Jon for not speaking about my situation and ask you all to please respect my privacy, I know that might be hard but I swear this is a personal matter and I'll be back with the band".

Or the opposite. But just say something!

Yeah, THIS.

JoviJovi 05-23-2013 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1132439)
Richie could stop all this crap by opening up his Facebook and writing a status saying:

"Hey guys, Richie Sambora here. I just wanted to tell you that I'm still a full member of Bon Jovi and that things between and Jon and I are just like they've always been. Don't believe the rumours because they're not true. I also wanted to thank my friend Jon for not speaking about my situation and ask you all to please respect my privacy, I know that might be hard but I swear this is a personal matter and I'll be back with the band".

Or the opposite. But just say something!

Yeah, with the unfolding events I think it would be the opposite but I agree. He has zero respect for fans

Mysterytrain 05-23-2013 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1132438)
I'm torn here. I want Bon Jovi. As in all of them. But I sure as hell don't want an act either. I guess I just really want the happy ending... you know, when the orchestra plays and Richie comes back to them? F**k. I'm way too emotional and stuff for this shit to be happening.

I feel the same. After this fallout --(if Richie's quotes are accurate, and I suspect they are) --then even if he were to come back to the band, the usual Jon-and-Richie-onstage-lovefest thing will probably be a sham (and yes, I am one of those people who always thought there was an element of reality to that) --or maybe they won't even bother to try the onstage chemistry thing at all.

Damage has been done all around. I would love a happy ending, too, but with fans' backlash over Richie's reason for leaving the tour (I'm guessing there will be one) --added to Jon's latest comments about Richie --it will be hard to summon goodwill at this point.

danfan 05-23-2013 02:51 AM

Maybe this will be a good thing for the band (and us). Mayne Jon will hire Phil X full time and he'll get some rock back into the band. I mean, come on guys, it's been said a few times already. Richie's been phoning it in now for quite some time. He looks like shit, and quite often, plays like shit.

To me, it all comes down to respect for the fans, of which Richie clearly has none. I'm as harsh a critic of Jon as anyone, but it isn't Jon who got up and decided to quit the tour after he committed to it. It's simple - Jon is a workaholic, and regardless of whether we all agree with it, he likes doing what he does. Apparently, Richie no longer does. Screw him. This has been going on too long with no answers for me to possibly respect the man anymore. The only thing worse than Richie's silence are his tweets, which are bordering on obnoxious and outright disrespectful to the fans that have supported him all these years.

WillRunForChocolate 05-23-2013 02:56 AM

Ok, this drama just has to stop. I'm supposed to be working out and instead I'm reading message boards for the thousandth time today :( If I get fat I will blame Sambongo!

Captmorgs 05-23-2013 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1132447)
Maybe this will be a good thing for the band (and us). Mayne Jon will hire Phil X full time and he'll get some rock back into the band. I mean, come on guys, it's been said a few times already. Richie's been phoning it in now for quite some time. He looks like shit, and quite often, plays like shit.

To me, it all comes down to respect for the fans, of which Richie clearly has none. I'm as harsh a critic of Jon as anyone, but it isn't Jon who got up and decided to quit the tour after he committed to it. It's simple - Jon is a workaholic, and regardless of whether we all agree with it, he likes doing what he does. Apparently, Richie no longer does. Screw him. This has been going on too long with no answers for me to possibly respect the man anymore. The only thing worse than Richie's silence are his tweets, which are bordering on obnoxious and outright disrespectful to the fans that have supported him all these years.

I'm trying to talk myself into this too (maybe things will be better with Phil). Not quite there yet . . .

DestinationJovi 05-23-2013 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1132447)
Maybe this will be a good thing for the band (and us). Mayne Jon will hire Phil X full time and he'll get some rock back into the band. I mean, come on guys, it's been said a few times already. Richie's been phoning it in now for quite some time. He looks like shit, and quite often, plays like shit.

F*ck that. If Richie quits for good the band should retire. I don't want a new Bon Jovi 30 years later. For better or for worse, I want any future album to be the four remaining founding members, or none at all.

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To me, it all comes down to respect for the fans, of which Richie clearly has none. I'm as harsh a critic of Jon as anyone, but it isn't Jon who got up and decided to quit the tour after he committed to it. It's simple - Jon is a workaholic, and regardless of whether we all agree with it, he likes doing what he does. Apparently, Richie no longer does. Screw him. This has been going on too long with no answers for me to possibly respect the man anymore. The only thing worse than Richie's silence are his tweets, which are bordering on obnoxious and outright disrespectful to the fans that have supported him all these years.
Agreed.

Becky 05-23-2013 03:09 AM

I'll continue to support Jon, Tico, and Dave in anything they do.

bounce442 05-23-2013 03:18 AM

Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi now
I'm tired of talking about negative and will only respond to positive. This article smells fishy to me. It looks like BS to me. Going 2 bed


Hannah Sambora ‏@JoviHolic31 2h
@MatthewBongiovi ummmm Matt you might wanna come rescue Jon right about now... Every magazine/website turned him into an ass! #Help :(


Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi 29m
@JoviHolic31 remember he didn't show up to work. Everyone else did. So who's at fault?

JoviJovi 05-23-2013 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1132451)
I'll continue to support Jon, Tico, and Dave in anything they do.

I will too, but seperately, not as Bon Jovi. Richie can go be a flake in LA for all I care. My last 5 shows will be far more bitter than sweet.

danfan 05-23-2013 03:21 AM

I feel like I'm in high school again.

JackieBlue 05-23-2013 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Slakk (Post 1132417)
Wait, they are in the middle of a world tour and RICHIE DECIDES TO QUIT AND DO FASHION????

Please read the quotes people! If indeed these are Richie's words, he doesn't say he left the tour TO work on his fashion line. He says, "Jon needs to stop talking about me publicly. I am fine working very hard on my fashion company Nikki Rich and this is a private matter." The "this" is not necessarily the "working hard" on Nikki Rich. To me it sounds more like he’s working on NikkiRich while "this" has him off tour and that “this” is a dispute between him and Jon which Richie would like to keep between the two of them (i.e., a private matter).

I have believed from the beginning that they were at loggerheads and that Jon's comments had just enough truth in them to keep him from being caught in a lie and that Richie's silence was due to a gag order (Jovi confidentiality?) or advice from his attorneys.

I don't believe the reason he hasn't explained anything to the fans is out of any disrespect for them but because he couldn't say anything for legal/financial reasons (negotiations?) or out of respect for the band (meaning ALL the band and their history of keeping dirty laundry to themselves).

The article quoted him as saying that the fans aren't getting what they paid for and he feels bad for them. Isn't that what some of you have been waiting to hear? (Besides when he'll be coming back, of course. And maybe with the current situation, he doesn't KNOW when he'll be back.)

I personally think Jon has been goading him since April 2, beginning with the Calgary stage and the (deliberate, I believe) statement of Jon's, "I'm sorry he's not here for you" (IBTFY, anyone?) and that there was a veiled threat in his comment that, "Sambora's not going to be performing anywhere for a long time."

If emotions can be put aside for a moment, does it really make sense to anyone that someone who's been in the music business for over 30 years and has repeatedly stated how much he appreciates the fans, who's been committed to the same band his entire working career, who is clearly proud of most of the band's work would now suddenly throw a fit and negate all that, not to mention risking his future career (if people begin to see him as unreliable), demolish his fan base, lose upwards of 3 million dollars (if the 100K per show is anywhere in the ballpark), and possibly find himself in breach of contract?? Over a f**king WHIM???

I think Jon is deliberately trying to make it appear that Richie has succumbed to alcohol issues again and is unreliable with his constant reiteration that "we've been through this before" and "he's had issues [like this] before in 2011". And yes, I do think Jon's pissed. But I don't think it's because he's tired of answering the same questions and struggling along with a broken tour. I believe that, for whatever reason, he and Richie had it out and Richie walked - either b/c he couldn't take it anymore or Jon gave him an ultimatum. I don't believe that it was as unpredicted as Jon led the fans to believe - other than he may have thought Richie would cave and come back and the surprise was that he didn't. And THAT's why he didn't need Paul to tell him what the rest of the phone message was. He may have thought, even at that point, that once Richie saw "how well" they were getting along without him that he'd be back with his tail between his legs. But instead, Jon finds himself facing angry fans, demanding refunds and complaining (much to Jon's surprise, I'm sure) that Bon Jovi is NOT Bon Jovi without Richie Sambora even if the CEO is present and accounted for. On top of that his wallet is taking a hit as the tour limps on, giving away tickets almost as fast as they're giving back refunds and still having to pay all those employees to carry on with a tour that the band told him they weren't ready for to begin with.

And STILL Richie's not crawling back. That's gotta sting. And I would imagine that Jon is one person who really hates it when his plans don't work out the way he expects. So hell yeah, he's pissed, and it's beginning to show - not only in his obvious displeasure with the interview questions, but also in the way that he's going against his own confidentiality rules, getting quite close to revealing "secrets we take to the grave."

How about cutting Richie a little slack here? I know you're disappointed and you've lost money. I understand that as well as anyone. I went nearly $2000 in debt, lost a week's vacation, and spent HOURS on a train to go to NJ for the Philly and NYC solo shows only to learn within 2 hours of arriving that they would be the best two shows I never saw. (And before anyone goes off on the cancellations being caused by low ticket sales, I have no way of knowing how many tickets were or were not sold. But I do know that a friend of mine talked with Richie at the Q&A in NYC and she said he was "sick as a dog and croaked like a frog." She also said that his rep told the audience that Richie (who we know is a hugger) had requested "no hugs" because that's how he got sick to begin with and he didn't want to risk infecting anyone else or, I'm sure, risk further sickness himself. While I may not know about the ticket sales, I DO know that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for a lead singer to pull off 2-hr shows with laryngitis, no matter how dedicated he is to his craft or to his fans. Not to mention the possible permanent damage to his vocal chords that could result.)

I didn't mean to get sidetracked but I’ve had it with that argument unless someone here KNOWS beyond pissy speculation that low sales was the ONLY reason Richie cancelled those shows. What I had started to say is that I understand from personal experience how disappointed many of you are. But really, you've criticized the "fan-girls" on twitter for tweeting nothing but supportive comments and blindly following Richie into hell, as it were, but aren't you kind of doing the same thing just in the opposite direction? It appears as if many of you are allowing your disappointment and financial loss to cause you to just as 'blindly' find fault with a man you have apparently respected for years until some unfortunate circumstances messed up your own personal sandboxes.

Has Richie really been all that unreliable over the years or is this something that is being generalized due to the current atmosphere? I remember him missing shows due to rehab during the Circle tour and I vaguely remember him being sent home from tour (?) following the Unplugged fiasco. I also remember other rehab stints, but not any that conflicted with Jovi dates, all of which occurred in the wake of tremendous personal upheaval and losses that could defeat anyone. Simply choosing to perform for the entertainment of others doesn’t make someone immune to that sort of devastation or equip them any better to handle it. So can someone refresh my memory? Over the 30 years that the band has been together how many shows has Richie missed – on short notice or for no reason?

If he has been an unreliable prick all this time, why are you still following him? And if he hasn't been all that unreliable or acted like such a prick then why are you so willing to believe that he suddenly turned into a flake who doesn’t respect his fans, his band, or himself?

For my money, there simply has to be another answer. And some sort of dispute is the only thing that, for me, logically explains them not communicating except through press and tweets, Richie keeping silence while Jon is progressively more vocal, the fact that Richie seems to be happy and healthy and looks more on top of the alcohol than he's been for a long time, but due to some "private matter" is not touring with the band. So I think the "private matter" is between Jon and Richie and that Richie was willing and, in fact, doing his best to keep it that way until Jon got more and more aggressive in his comments.

Did he choose the best time to walk away or to prove a point, if that’s what it is? It wouldn’t appear so; but then we don't know what caused him to walk or what point he's trying to prove. It may be that it was the ONLY time to do it. Not knowing what "it" is, I can't judge Richie's timing. But I will say, not as a blindly enraptured fan-girl, but rather as an individual who's been accused of being logical to a fault... Richie has flaws like we all do and he reaps the consequences of bad choices as we all do. But whatever the reason is that has led us all to this point, I believe it is important enough to Richie for him to lay everything on the line... his career, his fans, his "brothers", the money - everything. And I don't believe that ANYONE would do that unless he truly believed it was unavoidable.

I believe he still respects his fans and loves his "brothers" but on the horns of this dilemma he had to do whatever "it" is even in the face of disappointing others and risking the professional reputation he's worked for over 30 years to build. It has to go well beyond some insignificant flight of fancy or childish temper tantrum.

Obviously, all of this is conjecture. The reason for Richie leaving the tour could yet be something that we haven’t even considered, despite our collective attempts to investigate, speculate, research, crystal-ball, or supernaturally divine. But I refuse to throw all the respect I’ve had for Richie (or Jon) to the wind. My respect is not based on some teenybopper image of them as perfect people who can do no wrong, but on observations over the years, highly respectful comments from people in the industry who have worked alongside them, and the things they have stood for too consistently for it to have been a sham.

ezearis 05-23-2013 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bounce442 (Post 1132452)
Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi now
I'm tired of talking about negative and will only respond to positive. This article smells fishy to me. It looks like BS to me. Going 2 bed


Hannah Sambora ‏@JoviHolic31 2h
@MatthewBongiovi ummmm Matt you might wanna come rescue Jon right about now... Every magazine/website turned him into an ass! #Help :(


Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi 29m
@JoviHolic31 remember he didn't show up to work. Everyone else did. So who's at fault?

All was fine until the last tweet...

Wrath Mania 05-23-2013 03:29 AM

I think Matt's passive-aggressive, sophomoric tweets are really telling that there's been bad blood from day one. And at this point I don't see how anyone can't believe that. He's not coming back, it's just boiled down to some cock fight about whether Jon will FIRE Richie or if Richie will QUIT. Pathetic.

RSROCKS 05-23-2013 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1132451)
I'll continue to support Jon, Tico, and Dave in anything they do.

We know you have never liked Richie, that much you have made clear. You don't need to inject it all over this thread. Remember that time you get all pissy because I called you out on it and others backed me up?

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1132457)
I think Matt's passive-aggressive, sophomoric tweets are really telling that there's been bad blood from day one. And at this point I don't see how anyone can't believe that. He's not coming back, it's just boiled down to some cock fight about whether Jon will FIRE Richie or if Richie will QUIT. Pathetic.

Jon, Richie and Matt are all pathetic losers at this point.

DestinationJovi 05-23-2013 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1132457)
I think Matt's passive-aggressive, sophomoric tweets are really telling that there's been bad blood from day one. And at this point I don't see how anyone can't believe that. He's not coming back, it's just boiled down to some cock fight about whether Jon will FIRE Richie or if Richie will QUIT. Pathetic.

But they really haven't. His tweets began back in April insisting there is no fight, Richie will be back and he has a right to his privacy. They continued with Richie is like a brother to him so don't mess with his family and he feels Richie will be back sometime this summer. It's only since Jon's gloves have somewhat come off that Matt is turning it around and saying who's the bastard that didn't show up to the gig.

A dispute between Jon and Richie could very well be, but if so, would Jon really be challenging Richie to say something? Because the past few days Jon has clearly backed him into a corner. I just can't see Jon opening that door for Richie to speak about a personal conflict between the two of them. Just doesn't add up for me.


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