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zandivad 11-10-2013 10:45 AM

Here it is.
 
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Originally Posted by zandivad (Post 1156144)
please add the ;) end of my quote, as this was part of the conversation. And by the way he'll be back when HE is ready.

Ok, after reading all your thoughts I'd like to give "MY" real thoughts on Richie. He is over the 'Business' aspect of music and wants to reconnect to the rawness that he had in his younger days. Bless Jon and the corporate machine that is Bon Jovi
(who I love), but I believe you reach a point in life when it is just more than that. This is where "I" believe Richie is at.
Long live the music not the money.

rolo_tomachi 11-10-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1156243)
Richie is in NYC today meeting with...Derek Shulman (the record company executive who signed the band/Jon to PolyGram):

@dvsmusic: Look forward to hanging with old buddy Richie Sambora here in NYC tomorrow

He Come Back with Bon Jovi?

A new record deal with Universal / Polygram?

Perhaps, a new solo album?

http://i42.tinypic.com/21ngwpk.jpg

Beaky 11-10-2013 03:18 PM

Derek now runs the slightly less glamorous 2Plus Music & Entertainment, where he looks after predominantly Asian acts such as Jake E Lee and the wonderfully named Loudness...

Sounds like Derek has heard that Richie can get at least 30 punters to a gig and he wants a taste...

Becky 11-10-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zandivad (Post 1156244)
Ok, after reading all your thoughts I'd like to give "MY" real thoughts on Richie. He is over the 'Business' aspect of music and wants to reconnect to the rawness that he had in his younger days. Bless Jon and the corporate machine that is Bon Jovi
(who I love), but I believe you reach a point in life when it is just more than that. This is where "I" believe Richie is at.
Long live the music not the money.

I don't buy that. He's always been worse about spouting off numbers than Jon has ("Every record we've released since SWW has sold 10 million copies" is something he said on my local station during Crush promo. And he's always about the "55 countries this tour.") I think he has issues that his solo albums sold 148 copies and he did a concert in LA with 300 people and it's the LACK of numbers that have put him where he is today. He had to cancel his small shows in North America due to lack of ticket sales while Bon Jovi is still playing to the masses. I think that affected his ego. I think he is just as much about chasing a hit as anyone else. Every Road was tailor made to fit in today's pop music scene. He wants success as a solo artist.

JackieBlue 11-10-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1156249)
I don't buy that. He's always been worse about spouting off numbers than Jon has ("Every record we've released since SWW has sold 10 million copies" is something he said on my local station during Crush promo. And he's always about the "55 countries this tour.") I think he has issues that his solo albums sold 148 copies and he did a concert in LA with 300 people and it's the LACK of numbers that have put him where he is today. He had to cancel his small shows in North America due to lack of ticket sales while Bon Jovi is still playing to the masses. I think that affected his ego. I think he is just as much about chasing a hit as anyone else. Every Road was tailor made to fit in today's pop music scene. He wants success as a solo artist.

Actually I believe the number he used was 52 countries. At least that's the number I hear fans yapping about all the time. And if you look at the tour dates I believe they crossed international borders 51 times; but I may have miscounted. So even if it wasn't a different country each time, technically speaking, it would seem that the band could have in fact been to 52 countries over that tour. Jus' sayin'...;)

Supersonic 11-10-2013 07:43 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1156217)
**** you, the guy can barely play Always, Love Song and These Days without messing up the solos. He makes a lot of mistakes, and don't even come here and say those songs are new for him because its not.

Really, is this the guy you were saying that would make us all forget about Richie? Sure, this day will come once he starts to nail the solos.

He is nailing the solo's. He's just not playing them like Sambora is, but adds his own style to them. The fact that so many fans have their Sambo glasses on and can't understand that he is playing them the way he wants to play them as oppose to be trying to copy Richie note for note is merely your problem and not everyone else's. I don't like his style that much either, but I can understand he does the job and does it very well.

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1156219)
What?? You can make a comparison of the performance of Jon and Richie in Thorn in my side. You will see that Jon is more Richie lazy there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nkkbSP8DE

You've got absolutely no idea of what I meant. When I saw the band break out Thorn In My Side after a long time it was clear that Jon got into the song right away where as Richie needs time to get used to a more uncommon change to the set. It used to be the other way around, but it just no longer is.

Your list of songs played with Richie that are supposedly fantastic aren't saved by Sambora - He's just copying the studio versions note for note, or the solo he's been playing for years now. There's no little fills here and there, it's been the same guitarwork for 10 years and it got more sloppy with every subsequent tour.

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Nothing close to this that it can get with Phil. That spark that usually have Jon and Richie together is what's special about this band.
Yeah, and that spark has been missing for a good decade now. There's the schtick of "Richie my brother" before I'll Be There For You, and they pull it off. But don't act like Richie + Jon is a guaranteed good combination, because over the past few tours it's become quite clear that ever since Jon regained interest in the band, Richie became more and more unreliable. And many who saw one of the shows on this tour noticed that something was off with Jon and Richie at the start of this tour. That's no spark, that was just professional behavior of leaving the drama off stage.

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All Bon Jovi tours have had great moments. Phil X is a professional, but does not transmit anything. Not the same level that you get Richie on a show, although it is bad.
But no tour since the Bounce tour has had shows where Richie was peaking from start to finish. And that level you keep rambling about on how Phil's not "transmitting" anything is just something that can't be achieved in your eyes, it's your perception of something that just isn't there. Richie used to be able to make a simple Bon Jovi pop song great because he used to add his flavour to it. Nowadays it's just Jon doing his thing and Richie just zoning out for whatever reason he feels necessary.

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I Prefer to Richie with his faults, that a professional like Phil.
Yeah...I just prefer a good guitarist who's into it. And you're kind of a hypocrite here. Jon on autopilot? EVIL EVIL Jon. Richie on auto pilot? "He's still good!" That's not making sense, and is what makes all your posts and opinions about the whole Richie fiasco kind of invalid as you won't accept anything else but Richie and seem to hold on to something that just isn't there, and hasn't been there for a long time.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

KeepTheFaith2211 11-10-2013 08:19 PM

1178 pages. Dear me.

rolo_tomachi 11-10-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1156253)


Yeah...I just prefer a good guitarist who's into it. And you're kind of a hypocrite here. Jon on autopilot? EVIL EVIL Jon. Richie on auto pilot? "He's still good!" That's not making sense, and is what makes all your posts and opinions about the whole Richie fiasco kind of invalid as you won't accept anything else but Richie and seem to hold on to something that just isn't there, and hasn't been there for a long time.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan


Also I prefer Jon on autopilot with its flaws included, before that another substitute singer.

As mentioned earlier, the two cannot be reborn. They had 40 years, now have over 50 of age.

Jon has had the perfect life, Richie has gone through a dark period.

You try to put Richie Shows like a real mess because of him, it is not. Both have lost many virtues. Both give their best part just sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1156253)
Your list of songs played with Richie that are supposedly fantastic aren't saved by Sambora - He's just copying the studio versions note for note, or the solo he's been playing for years now. There's no little fills here and there, it's been the same guitarwork for 10 years and it got more sloppy with every subsequent tour.


We could say the same about the laziness of Jon. If you refer to themselves as "Ill be There For you" or "Always" is simply because Richie like it, is a matter of taste, I do not like listening 1000 times "It's all Right" in Who says you cant Go Home, but many fans and especially Jon liked .

-Why never sing "sleep when I'm" chorus in the end of "sleep when I'm Dead"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts-e0uZfooQ#t=03m50s


-Why Jon sings differently this part of Keep The Faith?

studio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQyVUTcpM4#t=03m50s

live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RKVlT3_BXU#t=03m33s

-Why not add the "hey" at the end?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQyVUTcpM4#t=05m00s


-Why Jon never sang the last chorus of "Its my life" of same way that studio version?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2u5uUu3DE#t=03m59s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dkMg3DEzs#t=03m42s


and many more examples .... These Days harmonica??? Im with You chorus diferents why??? ...

-Why Bobby Playing the guitar solo of In These Arms / Bad Name? :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-f0QSYmNhs#t=02m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZM2KUCVe_I#t=02m23s

Why always "Never Say Goodbye" acoustic???

Jon & Richie (and the band) have his tastes, his playing, they move in cycles/period.


They like to make changes to the songs.


What Do You Got solo cut?

Album Version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAMYIKfIVSQ#t=02m23s

Live Version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAd6GHdg9Q#t=02m28s

Demo Version 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-TNtRiYplE#t=02m40s

Why cut, Jon???

Walkerboy 11-10-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211 (Post 1156254)
1178 pages. Dear me.

I hate your picture so much right now.....

Bloody Tim Krul!

KeepTheFaith2211 11-10-2013 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkerboy (Post 1156256)
I hate your picture so much right now.....

Bloody Tim Krul!

Oh mate it was ridiculous. Obviously for me I was overjoyed and that second half lasted about eight days but on any other day you would have won fairly easily. Krul is a good goalkeeper but today he was a man possessed!


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