This. I wish Jon would stop trying to dance around it and just tell the truth the next time he's asked what's up with Richie.

But then he'd get slammed for telling Richie's "personal" business. I really think it's just a matter of time before Jon spills his guts. Then he'll have to give himself the stink eye.

Guys, it's pretty obvious it's not a personal thing. Can we stop pretending there is some deep mistery or that Richie will come up and say "Guys I was just teaching Ava to drive, I'm back!".

The reason that he continues to take down crazy speculation and not say what it actually is makes it pretty obvious that the reason is actually something that CAN'T be said either because of financial repercussions, contractual obligations or just something that is better not said before it's definitive. That just leaves a fallout between Jon and Richie (for any reason that you'd like to insert here). It can be money, it can be solo songs, it can be not wanting to tour because screw it we've been touring almost non stop.

The only question remaining is: is it a definitive breakup or there is still negotiation possible? If I remember correctly he said he will be back. So either take that answer or not, but let's not expect he says the reason when clearly there are interests at hand that the reason (while pretty obvious) stays hidden. Besides, what different does it make you how many plates were thrown?

Hmm . . . former Presidents sometimes dabble in diplomacy after leaving office. Could President Clinton be worried enough about the impending demise of Bon Jovi to serve as an emissary between the warring factions? He had dinner with JBJ in Stockholm - http://www.expressen.se/noje/bon-jov...ch-wallstrom/#. Who's keeping an eye on Richie's favorite restaurants in California? If the Secret Service shows up, we might be on to something!




(And yes, this post is made with tongue firmly planted in cheek. :p)

Jon said it, Matt said it, Obie (supposedly) said it, David said it, probably even my neighbor pointed towards that direction... but not Richie himself.

Edited to say: Jon said it at the beginning of this drama. Now "he will be back" turned into "I most certainly hope [he will be back]".

He said in his very first tweet way back when this all started (feels like 5 years now!) see you all very soon. How we will see him, is anyone's guess but you are right, he never said I will be back.

Really? Are you sure? Where?

Removing the lead vocals trick is pretty easy. All you have to do is invert the polarity of one side of the stereo signal and then mix the left and right channels together, add little EQ and that's all. Here is the result. samboraisgodUK was right the backing vocals are pretty loud.

Pre-Chorus (00.58 - 01.03)
Chorus (01.50 - 02.17)
Bridge (02.39 - 02.52)


I'd like to hear your opinion. Is that Richie singing backing vocals on BWC? What do you think ?

Let the conspiracy theories begin!

I don't hear richie TBH, but I was never very good at that.

I think Mr Bill is wearing one of Hillary's sweaters. :p

Neither do I...but it sounds so robotic anyway...

As someone has said, it sounds robotic. But you can hear Richie, here and in the normal version when they say the "thats what i am" in the chorus.

I also hear Tico in some of the chorus as well, especially in the beginning of the song. But im not sure about this anyway :P

Holy heck, what program did you use to do this?

You have a point about the verses but I hear him in the chorus, especially 2:30 to 2:52.

^^^agree....on another closed forum I'm a member of, the question of whether this is about RS, his album, solo tour etc, being pi**ed off having to halt that...wil cut and paste what I said there...

It goes without saying that if we put these 2 head to head on solo tours, JBJ will outsell RS because he has a fanbase that will follow him to the grave outnumbering RS 10 -1 most likely. Don't think that's what this is about....think RS is burnt out, think on his break in Hawaii faced some demons, some of his own making, and this is now getting down to 2 people needing to talk to each other which clearly they are not doing. It has also occurred to me that JBJ may well be in a burn out phase himself but being the perfectionist with a chip on his shoulder wanting to prove all and sundry wrong, he hasn't identified it in himself, never mind in someone else...nup, they need to have a 2x4 up the side of their heads, dragged kicking and screaming into a room, door locked and told to get the eff on with it and thrash this out one way or another......

If there is *blood on the floor* at the end of it, so be it...not only does the current state of play do them no favours with the fan base, but as individual people they are being completely reactive and not proactive, about themselves as individuals, about the collateral effect on the jobs they have, the impact on others...band specific, band related, their significant others. Clearly fault lies with both individuals...no longer necessary to argue/debate who started it...in any relationship, whatever form it takes, it takes more than one party to create havoc...no doubt, one begins it by a reaction...how far that goes depends on the response/reaction from another...so in my eyes, they are both to blame now.

I don't think Tico does any backing vocals but I know the part you mean. Whoever is singing the low part right?

An artist first, who has shit all over his fans, band and legacy.

Exactly ^^. Maybe it's not him, Im not used to hear him singing anyway but I remember his deep voice and it's quite similar IMO.

What a load of shit


But this is better;

Or Jon wants to replace Richie's guitar with Bill Clinton on the sax...

You mean Jon's a human being with actual feelings and emotions like all the rest of us?!? No way!!!

(And yes, I'm being sarcastic. Pointing that out, in case someone slow's wondering.)

I agree with you on the rest as well, they definitely need to talk. And we know from Jon's words they've only spoken once since this mess started. Not good at all.

I agree...sadly to say....somehow I realized he's not wise. but I didn't know he's dreaded stupid this much. He can't handle his mess properly.
He really needs to get a help from someone who can think better than he.

It will be a case of who has the smaller ego, if one of them tries to mend fences.

I can't tell on BWC but he had tweeted pictures of him in Jon's studio recording the album.

http://twitter.com/TheRealSambora/st...565249/photo/1

http://twitter.com/TheRealSambora/st...947968/photo/1

http://twitter.com/TheRealSambora/st...024768/photo/1

http://twitter.com/TheRealSambora/st...498881/photo/1

I'm almost sure Sambora sings the "that's what I am" part, also he is noticeable in the chorus and the bridge (even if David is more recognizable on the "because we caaaaaaan"'s).

The harmonies are one of the few valuable things in BWC.

David was there too

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

:lol: looks like hes saying picture me picture me!!! :lol:

For all you German's, here is a Richie & Jon interview during happier times with Richie doing a German accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

I don't hear him at all.

Ice

Your on the right track.
I was thinking of a word that starts with C and ends in unt.

It seems Richie had another fashion meeting yesterday... :s @SeanBorgLA: @1NikkiLund & @TheRealSambora thanks for lunch... Good chats, good company! #Nikkirich xo http://t.co/g92lthSOk1

Man, Jon should go back and listen to some of his past interviews... He sure has changed a lot, not only in appearance.
Thanks for that :D I miss those times.

It seems increasingly likely that Richie has finally done what many of us around here have wanted one of them to do for a long time - call Jon out on his bullshit CEO/brand bollocks. Whilst the man's timing is absolutely ridiculous, perhaps this is what Jon needs to throw into light just how far the band have fallen since their glory days. If the band isn't beyond repair, positive things will come from this eventually, I'm sure.

It still sucks for the fans who've bought tickets though. :(

When you give more importance to a stage and your workers instead of keeping your brother and guitarist, is that these rotten.

I can not believe Jon's ego does not yield. The business killed this band.

First must be the music, the band. Finally, the business.

Both are stupid and still they have hate. Where is the love? The forgiveness?

Rolo, enough already. You are getting on everyone's nerves with your stupid love and hate comments.

I agree with most of this. No-one knows exactly whats gone on and who's to blame, we prob never will. Its just been handled in the worst possible way and I can see Richie losing alot of fans over it.


Lets be honest, the real magic between them has been missing for years now, I'm talking more in the studio than anything else. I hope this whole episode might be a blessing and forces them in another direction to maybe come back together as a force again at some point.

I've said it for a while but IMO Jon needs to do a "end of NJ tour" and get rid of all the hangers on, over production, ridiculous money making schemes, Shanks and just go back to writing songs with an acoustic guitar for the love of it. Not for the love of trying to have a hit single.

Not the worst idea I've read here.

I am not a Jon hater at all, just not a blind follower of everything he does.
I agree that Richie should not have committed to it, but maybe he thought he could do it. Yes it sucks for the fans no doubt. I am angry at Richie too - this will be the first time I haven't seen them play in my home town.

That would be awesome.

the big chat could come during the 10 day break!!

then he might be convinced to come back and complete the tourn, promote his range of clothes at the Bonjovi outlets and sing one of his songs!

That sounds like a plan.

Ice

Richie needs to comeback ASAP and mabe they can salvage the tour. The vibe would certainly be interesting and scrutinized by everyone on here lol. On related note...this is pretty impressive work by Phil X on dry county.

http://youtu.be/EEQl5ZFnGuA