Seriously?? :shock: http://www.givememyremote.com/remote...ox-first-look/

cant read it, what does it say?

i am pretty sure jon would apologise pretty quickly if he said something lashing out

Just a few things that have been nagging at me since I read that awful article:

1. Re: Jon sounding level-headed while talking about the overdose: Well, of course he does; he's talking to the media, he has an image to uphold. But that doesn't mean he is able to talk so calmly or rationally in private or among family and friends;

2. "In a jokey way"? How does one "joke" about a dear friend's daughter becoming a junkie? If this happened, it was bullying and an awful thing to say, pure and simple.

3. "Don't believe he is this hard or this dumb". I don't want to believe it, either, but who knows what people are like behind closed doors? Also, grief or fear or some combination thereof can do strange things to people who might seem 'rational' in every other facet of their lives, including in their public lives. I think it's quite possible that Jon could have said something like this in a moment of despair or anger. Maybe he didn't /mean/ to hurt Richie, but was just expressing shock that such a fate had befallen him (Jon)who had the same wife for 24 years, had raised his kids away from the limelight, etc. He had done everything "right" and this had happened to him anyway.

This article, as outlandish as it sounds, actually seems to tie up a lot of loose ends for me between the initial TMZ article and now. I hope it's proven to be false, but of all the theories we've bandied about here, I think it's the one that (barring alcoholism or family illness) would be the most plausible given what we know.

I was right.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/314...onofrichie.jpg

I think the two headed alien love child is more believable than this article.

Maybe Jon and Richie are ................

Jon wasn't even with the band when she overdosed, he was home. He had time to deal with and come to terms with it before he was even around Richie. He has said in interviews that he came to realize it's a lot more common than he thought and that others who he greatly respects reached out and said something similar has happened to their own kids, which appeared to be comforting to him in the way he said it in interviews.

I don't believe for a second that he said it.

There is no way this is true because why is Richie covering for Jon and himself saying personal reasons? Honestly, I don't know about you but if my friend said that about my daughter, I would not be hiding the truth and saying personal reasons, I would tell and I wouldn't care that you are Jon Bon Jovi. I would say the statement along the lines of our friendship is beyond repair and Jon has spoken out of line regarding my family.

They are all fathers and have seen each other became fathers and these children growing up all throughout the years. Jon brought Ava out to dance on stage and even through I've got the girl is about Stephanie, he would sing the line about breaking their hearts and mention all their daughters.

This sounds like something the press thought of themselves and even fans. During that time I saw comments such as I would have expected this from Ava, not Stephanie. Don't think the press didn't think it.

Don't even try to rationalize it, its beyond stupid.

Ok; now I feel better. I hadn't read the commentary about Ava and Stephanie during Stephanie's overdose, but you're right that it's certainly possible the press picked up on it and now have an excuse to bring it up again, just to stir the pot. Anything to sell a story, as usual...

This.


And this.

What if these "sources " they keep attributing this crap to are people on team Richie trying to make jon look bad. Easy to do, Jon already had a reputation of being a control freak. I mean, look at the people Richie has been hanging around with lately.

I have a vision of this Nikki where she looks and acts like the priestess Melisandre in the Game of Thrones show.

It does make me chuckle that, without knowing Nikki at all, everyone is ready to dump blame at her door.

The guy Richie had lunch with is a PR, former journalist, all-round freelance press chappie. The reason why it doesn't sound like Richie's words is, he would have had a chat, they'd have drafted something and Richie would have okay'd it; making sure his message got across. Certain lines taken out, others added in, to make the right impact.

The PR guy is also not Satan. He is doing his job.

It might be convenient to think it's Dorothea, or it's Nikki or it's some random PR fella that Richie clearly wanted to speak to but it's not... it's two guys we've idolised for years acting like children and ruining Bon Jovi.

The most apposite piece of commentary in almost 500 pages!

The article is BS, total fabrication and poor journalism.

However this gives a little bit of hope to the people attending the Hyde Park show:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...and-drugs.html

Well we all know this is nothing more than ego's and stubbornness. It is like two children at school. They are both good artists in their own right but together they are great. Time to put ego's to one side and accept it.

After Jon's literally just said 'at least Richie isn't irreplaceable, unlike The Edge..' why would anyone think it wouldn't be possible that he said 'I thought it would have been your daughter who would overdose if any, not mine'?

We know the guy is an arrogant, tactless ****. What's not to believe?

What an asshole.

I wasn't aware you know him personally.

All this goes back to the TMZ story that said Jon is constantly belittling Richie.
IF(!) Jon truly said that about Richie's daughter, I'm disgusted.
This whole thing keeps getting worse and more confusing.

I don't know what to think anymore.. my head hurts :(

As has been said numerous times, if Jon had said it Richie would never have gone on the tour in the first place.

I think this mess has to do with Richie's failed US shows. This is another theory,though. He already got a huge frustration before this tour started. He couldn't move on and got too sensitive and couldn't think things right. His mental was very unhealthy, but the 1st leg of the US tour started. He turned his anger toward Jon.

Richie forgot how Jon tried to save him back in 2006-7. After Hand tour is over, Jon was worried about Richie and tried to make him work not to let him alone.

Richie saved himself. He got the help he needed and he's sticking to his sobriety. No doubt, Jon supported him, but don't give him credit for saving Richie. He did that on his own and to say anything else is disrespectful.

Are you a Jon hater?

With all this blowing up even more and god knows what else is going to be thrown out there between now and whenever this is resolved, it might be useful to remind ourselves of the only facts we know:

Richie was expected to show up for work
Richie didn't show up for work
Richie says all is good in his life
Jon says we need to ask Richie what's up

Anything I'm missing here?

Are you in elementary school?
:rolleyes:

Okay. It's very childish of you. So, you're just a Jon hater. Gotcha

I honestly believe that this will be sorted out during the 10 day break. They have 3 big festivals coming up, some of which are televised I do believe. Jon knows they will fail massively if they aren't a complete set and knows that he needs Richie.

I do believe that Richie will return come June 6th. If the sun is correct and he does want to play Hyde Park then he can't come back for that gig alone so the first gig after the break makes sense.

Says the person who uses the term "Jon hater"..... I don't hate anyone. I don't have time for that.

Jon was there for Richie and helped as much as he could but in the end, Richie is the one who helped himself. No one can save themselves, unless they want to be saved. No matter how much tough love, support, friends and family you have around you. Richie had to help himself first.

You know it's false. As if Richie would have gone anywhere near a tour if it was true. We would have seen Jon with a broken jaw if he said that.

I never thought we would see the day where we believed Hollywood Scoop?

It's exactly how it was at the end of the NJ tour but this time just throw in the internet and social media. Then it was just the printed press and the same thing was happening. They would hear things in the press and the other would believe that one said it or the other said it and in the end, no one said it.

This is the media doing what they do best - playing their games, twisting some tweets and quoting the classic ''insider sources'' and so egging the two parties on into some sort of 'Celebrity Deathmatch' for all to see. It's what sells/gets website hits. I've seen it done many times with other artists and band members. The British Press love to (still!) do it with the Gallagher Brothers for example.

Saying that, if JBJ had said that about Ava, Richie should have knocked him on his ass. But the timing doesn't work out for that theory, why then do the first leg of the tour? And be seen to be having a great time doing it? We would have picked up on something serious being amiss between the two from all the videos, online broadcasts we have scrutinised.


Andi

Exactly. It's the same happening all over again. And quite frankly, I'm not so surprised some fans - let alone the casual gossipers who don't even know let alone care about the band - would fall into the trap all over again. What I would be surprised of would be if the band itself fell into it. They know perfectly well how PR and media and tabloids work and, most of all, they've experienced a similar twisted situation back in 1989 through 1991. I would think they know better. Then again, I would have never thought they'd start washing their dirty laundry in public, but, unless ALL that came out till now is false (which I highly doubt), then it's actually happening. I guess we can't take anything for granted now.

That's why to approach the whole thing like this is ideal if you want to keep your feet on the ground:

And no, I don't think you're missing anything here. As weird as that sounds, those few facts are actually all we know in this drama.

Hes been plenty disrespectful to fans, not to concerned about giving him any respect

You're taking this way too personally. Especially since you still have no idea what is going on.