Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173129)

Good point. But I still don't think money is his main motivation. I also don't think there will be another Bon Jovi tour, unless it's a farewell tour. I don't think Richie will ever want to do a big year long tour ever again either. So I think that money well will run dry anyway.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173130)

Aloha !



Right now it isn't, he's got plenty. But he's been financing all these shows himself, he'll be lucky to break even. That well will eventually run dry. There's only so many times he'll be willing to ship an entire band + gear + staff over to Australia or Europe. Eventually, he'll realize that the 500 people he's playing for every few months aren't that rewarding anymore.

And considering the tours; I don't think anyone in the band will be doing a big year long tour again. No bands do nowadays, apart from Bon Jovi. Most bands play a month or 2 here, then have a month (or 2 off) and do another leg there. I still think that the only reason Jon's not doing it is just so he can reach the top of the Billboard Touring chart thing. Would he spread one album tour out over 2 years, there's no way he'd be on top as other, younger acts either do more shows or just make more money than him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173132)

I agree with your last point 100%. I'd also agree with your first point if Richie was trying to regularly do big solo tours. I don't think a handful shows every couple of years will hurt him. As far as I know, being a part of a music festival such as Soundwave doesn't hurt either.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173141)

Aloha !



The reason Richie isn't doing big solo shows, is because there's no demand for it anywhere but Europe, it seems. If he'd do an actual big solo tour, the actual costs per show would go down and he might just make some money with it, or actually break even. It's the handful shows he does in one year that'll cost him money. And with record sales going down the drain and his latest solo album completely tanking everywhere, it wouldn't surprise me if he had to finance his next studio album himself as well. He's probably got enough money to finance the next 4 album cycles himself, but there's just no way he can keep himself occupied with this stuff that no one but a select few die hards seem to care for.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1173081)

First of all, you make it sound like Richie quit the band just so he could work with Orianthi because she's more current. The timing is just a leetle bit off for that to be the case, wouldn't you say? Or did he just wait for 9 months and pretend to meet Ori on New Years Eve, so nobody would guess that it was his master plan from the start?

It's true that Richie saw Jon's star quality and wanted to be a part of where he was going. He's said as much, repeatedly. I think that what people sometimes seem to forget, though, is that Jon hand-picked the team he believed would get him where he wanted to be, too. So in reality, he hitched his wagon to their stars, just as much as they did to his.

Personal opinion (because without a time machine we'll never know for sure): none of those guys would be as well-known as they are without the others. It was the magic that existed among all of them (along with Alec, Desmond, Bob, Doc, and the planets) that took Bon Jovi to the top; not Jon Bon Jovi's personal magnetism. As essential as that was to the "magic", it wasn't the only factor by a long shot. Tico said in an interview that it wasn't until Richie joined the band that "it began clicking." So who's to say?

When it comes to the critical acclaim you think Richie will receive only after he dies, do you also think that that's when Bon Jovi will finally get the "critical acclaim" they deserve? They've never had wide-spread critical approval no matter how good they were or how hard they worked. At least Richie has received some critical acclaim as one of the great rock guitarists. When was the last time any of the critics pointed out how great Jon's voice is, or David's keyboards, or Tico's drumming, for that matter?

Also personal opinion: I think you overestimate Jon's "class". I'm not saying that he's not classy because, from what I've seen, I believe he is. But I'd bet my last dollar that if he had a case against Richie, he'd be suing his pants off right now (and may be doing so for all we know). And from some of the statements Richie's making, I wouldn't be too sure that THAT door doesn't swing both ways as well. As I said, JMO.

Originally Posted by Stiggy (Post 1173152)

& Jon's voice is shot to sh-t with smoking...what was a golden voice in 80's & 90's he had is now a nasal whine.. not good for a frontmans voice..

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173146)

We'll have to wait and see how the next album does. I think that now that he doesn't have Bon Jovi looming over him, he can focus more on building up his solo profile. I think his recent Australia trip did a lot for him in that part of the world. So doing more festivals can only be a good thing. And like Becky said, doing collaborations will introduce him to new audiences as well. If Slash can do it...

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173146)

I think his recent Australia trip did a lot for him in that part of the world.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173155)

Slash's career took off with Velvet Revolver, his image products Guitar Hero "videogame" has released the final stardom in this last decade. And his album "SLASH 2010" benefited with great collaborations. Slash is in a different league, but still, he can not fill stadiums or Arenas. In actuality play Rather pavilions and halls of 5000 people, and still playing early time in festivals.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173155)

Slash's career took off with Velvet Revolver, his image products Guitar Hero "videogame" has released the final stardom in this last decade. And his album "SLASH 2010" benefited with great collaborations. Slash is in a different league, but still, he can not fill stadiums or Arenas. In actuality play Rather pavilions and halls of 5000 people, and still playing early time in festivals.

I think Richie can aspire to a modest but secure public. Damn, his friends Heaven & Earth do, still live music. Why Richie not be able?

Originally Posted by Stiggy (Post 1173160)

the runaway packages are his way to repay the fans with there loyalty ? :confused: whats he done for us the fans that didnt cost us $$$? noting the fans going to these events are ones with money... the avergae fan like me misses out every time..