Good points to make.

I see where you're comming from, but that still doesn't add up to me. Then why Richie hasn't officially left the band? If these were the choices, then he clearly left the band for good. Whereas know he's officially still a member, just on not "on tour".

I mean, if you're Bon Jovi and you have indeed forced Richie out of the band, but still have plans to continue without him, wouldn't it make sense to officially announce he's left (and maybe replace him with Phil or just make a "vacant" spot like Alec). I think that would've hurt that short-term, but would've sent a stronger message long-term, if that indeed was the plan.

My guess would be the legal/financial ramifications would dictate whether they actually make an official change in status for Richie. It may be a situation similar to the dissolution of a high profile wealthy marriage where it benefits both parties more if they maintain a marriage in name only to protect their assets and reputation. (And I'll freely admit to talking out of my ass here because I don't have a clue how any of that works. Those are just my initial thoughts. It could be that if no one is sure where the band goes fom here, they may be trying to protect the legacy.)


I wasn't following the band when Alec and Bon Jovi parted company (regardless of how or why it happened) but the more I read about that
situation in old articles/interviews the more it bears a striking resemblance to what is happening now with Richie. Jon uses almost identical phrases in some cases.

Shocking! Something Richie said in an interview over a year later conveniently sheds a whole new light on the situation and (gasp!) it makes Richie come out smelling like roses (if you twist and contort it to fit your theory of when it all actually went down, IF it all actually went down at all). This is what? The 4th, 5th, maybe 6th reason/excuse he has given? Please, next week it will be something else.

Actually, I think it was the FIRST reason he alluded to, both in general ("personal reasons") and specifically ("Jon and I just aren't happening right now... Y'know it's family business, and the band's like family. Family business stays in the family"). That's probably not an exact quote but it's close enough for government work.

But I'm not sure what you think was twisted and contorted?

Richie's voice sounded tired but also good if that makes any sense. I really liked that performance! Orianthi also has a good voice, what bugged me is that not even in that small acoustic setting could we be spared the pointing as in "go ahead, your turn now" thing he's doing lately!! :lol: It's almost turning into a parody lol

I don't know how much power Jon has but I'm pretty sure that he has connections out the ying yang. And somebody went to the trouble to filter through the Forbes list to find out what Bon Jovi had that wasn't already represented among the first 12 names so Bon Jovi would be the top "something" and fed that to ABC, along with the requisite "even without Sambora" statement. They did the same thing for tbe Rock Rich list and said Jovi topped the list again when there wasn't even a list prior to that.

I wasn't picking on Jon or saying he's evil. I was just pointing out that they're both getting in their digs just like they did while the tour was still going on. And it's okay that he's not perfect. Really, the world won't end because the man's human.

Jon doesn't need a writer at every news outlet to pick up stories. That what he pays a PR staff for. And if you think Jon doesn't have a highly paid and very competent staff who does exactly that kind of thing and then feeds it to the Forbes, the Billboards, and other "random" outlets, you're more naive that I thought you were.

These weren't stories about a #1 BWC tour. They were stories about the other successful artists from this year and howJovi had fallen from 7th to 13th. Pretty sure ABC didn't jump all over that as a top news story without a nudge from somebody. The BWC tour ended over 6 months ago. The only people who are still talking about it are deranged fans like us. Nobody else gives a rip.

Check out the timing on these little 'non-news' news blurbs and compare them to what's going on with Richie at the time. There's a pattern.

And then, maybe I'm wrong. It's been known to happen. ;)

At any rate, this thread isn't about "Evil Richie vs St. Jon" or "Why is Jon such a jerk when Richie's such a good guy?" Somebody just said they didn't like the way Richie digs at Jon (and I don't either, btw) and all I was saying is he's not the only one who's doing it. Jon, as always, is more subtle when he sticks the knife in. But you can bet that Richie's getting his message, too.

Sorry, Jackie, but I really think you're smoking something on this latest "belief" you have about Jon. You seem to want to believe the absolute worst about him in every situation, so I guess your latest "theory" shouldn't surprise anyone.

Whatever. Smoke another one. LOL

You do realize that you're making an analogy of your own conspiracy (Jon's hired PR people bribing Forbes, Billboard and other outlets) vs. the words that came directly from Richie's mouth during interviews?