BUT HE STARTED IT!!!

It's so unfair, I HATE YOU!!!

Omg, I hate snarky people and I've become one! I'll use the excuse that I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. Good heavens, the Jon and Richie drama has turned me into a bitch. I'm officially joining the group hug. Kumbaya anyone? :)

I thought this thread was bringing us all closer, looks at these guys, you should learn from them :P

You're correct of course. Jon's as bad as Richie, what with him quiting mid-tour too and leaving the fans high and dry. Oh, wait... Jon didn't quit the tour? Ok then, I'm gonna go back to talking to the grown ups...

Eh? What? Looks like we've got ourselves another one...

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya....

I'm thinking pinched harmonics and power chords - and this could be a hit!

When this all began in April Jon seemed to be understanding with the whole Richie situation. That changed and I´m not sure that it´s only because of the obvious reasons (lack of communication, fight,..)

Jon barely gave any interviews during the US leg of the tour and so he wasn´t bothered with questions regarding that subject matter. Now he is in Europe and suddenly every interviewer is asking him about Richie Sambora. I think that pisses him off big time cause he is used to be the center of attention. Now it´s Richie this, Richie that, how is Richie doing, when is Richie coming back and so on. That could also be a reason why he´s giving those grumpy interviews lately.

Oooohhh, that's so sweet. I miss the good old days!

He doesn't have to answer those questions. He can choose which topics to discuss before the interview. So that's no excuse for "grumpy" answers.

No he cant when the interview is about the tour that Richie is supposed to be on. How stupid would that sound? Celebrities choose which topics to discuss on say Ellen or Katie, even then if its a hot topic, it will be touched on even if gently. The interviews jon is doing now are solely to promote the tour. The hottest topic about the tour right now, unfortunately, is richies absence.

What's ignorant is stating your own assumptions then adding "oh, but we don't know" at the end in a futile attemp to try and look like you're being objective.

And while we're at it, don't go comparing Richie's position to that of the average working man. "Underpaid?" Are you joking?
If he's unhappy with Jon's treatment of him, he literally could go the entire tour without seeing him bar the 2-3 hours per show. Turn up on stage, play, then "see ya" until the next show.
The fact is, Richie is in a position of some responsibility, where people are paying money to see him and counting on him being there. If he's going to quit in the manner he has, it needs to be for good reasons. Jon's behaviour, whether good or bad, shouldn't come into it unless he has changed into some kind of monster mid-tour- they worked together for 30 years, if its Jon's personality then Richie should have quit a long time ago, not mid-tour. As it stands, unless an official statement or explanation tells us that Jon did X & Y terrible things in the run up to the Calgary show, and therefore is immediately responsible for Richie dropping out, then I'll put this whole thing back on Richie. An in turn, until an official statement clarifies the situation, I'll reserve the right to decide whether I think, as a paying customer, Richie is justified in treating his fans- THE PEOPLE WHO PUT HIM WHERE HE IS- the way he is treating them. And in this situation, where the man himself has said "all is good" and that he's "doing f***ing great" I should be able to expect him to get his ass on a plane and do his job, and fulfill his duty to the fans who paid to see him!

This.

Jon can't be blamed at the minute until / if, we get some evidence he did something wrong. Other than that silly u2/Edge remark Jon has handled this pretty good.

This exactly.

Exactly. I think some folk see the Edge comment as a valid reason for Richie not being there- WHEN HE'D ALREADY QUIT THE BLOODY TOUR BY THAT POINT!!!

There are small signs that Jon, not appreciate to Richie Sambora, you can see those stinking eyes in the videos of this tour before abandonment.

Let's be honest, Jon has underestimated to Richie in his last interviews, remember the comparison with The Edge of U2. Arguing that Richie is completely replaceable, expendable.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/820...expendable.jpg

Those words of Jon, is a lack of respect for Richie Sambora, the band and their fans.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/3ed660c33...no1_r2_500.gif

Sambora is not expendable.

Best. Comeback. Ever.

I wasn't being ignorant - I fully stated it was rumour and not fact. It was a hypothetical scenario and I thought that was clear to illustrate a point - my ENTIRE point being that no one here knows ANYTHING concrete, and therefore no idea who to blame.

Underpaid is all relative isn't it? If you were the guitarist in Bon Jovi, co-writer of songs, co-producer etc, and were receiving, for arguments sake, 10% of what the frontman/CEO was getting ... would you be happy? Is that being paid for your contribution?

How can you be so naive to blame Richie BY DEFAULT unless there's an official statement? Who is in charge of the official statement, do you think? Can you say 100% that RS doesn't have a contract clause to stop him talking?

And this attitude of "I put him where he is" is such claptrap when it's coupled with "I have a right to dictate his every future career move". Get over yourself.

I'm holding my hands up and saying I don't know if it's Jon or Richie - and until I know otherwise, I'm going to be mature enough to not fly off the handle in a tantrum and cast speculative blame.
Yes, the situation is ridiculous. It's been shockingly handled from the start, I'm pissed and upset about it and *maybe* the fans deserve a better explanation. It depends on the explanation!
If you feel aggrieved that Richie won't be there (and I would) then get your refund.
If it turns our Richie quit for a shit reason, then I'll be in the mix to shout and complain about it.
But we don't truly know Jon's character or Richie's reasons.

We're all BJ fans (ooh-er!) - let's chuck around the crazy theories to pass the time until The Revelation.
I'm almost at the stage where I don't care what it is, so long as they don't just get back together and pretend it never happened...

Aww, poor Richie. Somebody call the waahhmbulance :cry:

You say it is not a JBJ fangirl, but you lie. You hate Richie Sambora.

Not fool me, girl.

The stink eye thing holds no water, because Jon's been know to throw it at other band members, pushy fans and irritating reporters. :D He doesn't save his stink eye just for Richie.

No, I just don't see where he is to blame in this. All of the reasons you cited "boy " are petty and something he should get over. Again, richie left, if not for health or family reasons, its not acceptable professional behavior.

I do not hate Richie. I had tickets to his canceled US shows, I was pissed at Jon when he didn't cancel when richie went to rehab. I am not on his"side" at this point. From the info out there, it seems pretty clear Imo.

This article is by far the most thoughtful stuff I read about the situation. Someone should really forward that to the band. And maybe also directly to the other mentioned bands like Journey, Crue, Guns, Extreme, Van Halen etc. Though for them it's obviously too late to solve their explained problems. Hopefully BJ gets the warning.

Jon didn't just become an arse on BWC tour. We all know he's been doing the CEO/stink eye routine for a long time. Why would Richie just decide to have an issue with that now ?

Maybe Ticco kept stealing all Richie's groupies, we know that's been an issue. :evilbat:

OMFG I LUFF YOU!!! Will you marry me??? :BIG:


Srsly, you said what I've been TRYING to say and said it so so much better. Thank you!!

have you seen this poll at Vh1 about Richie Sambora's return?
Look at the C= Apologize to Jon..
http://polldaddy.com/poll/7134057/?v...ults&msg=voted

So, Rolo. You wouldn't be happy unless Richie got all the spotlights, Jon kneeled at him and let the band's name to be changed to SAMBORA.

Jon can be an ass sometimes, but apparently until now, he has been supportive with Richie in his own (not always best) way. The pre-LH incident... ok, the Circle stint in rehab... ok. But maybe Jon has grown tired of Richie's recent years lack of compromise, and Richie has grown tired of Jon's attitude... and finally the bomb exploded.

Richie is a guitar hero, but he abandoned in the middle of a tour. If a plausible reason was given, I'd support him. I can even understand him being tired of Jon, but turning down fans that paid a respectable amount of money to see him (along with the band) was WRONG.

But there are no villains or victims for me, until I can see the whole story. They are just two old friends (yes, I still believe there's friendship in there) having some kind of differences.

I heartly hope they can amend them, whatever they are.

What's interesting is the article that goes with it. It starts right off with: "When Richie Sambora was asked to pack his bags and take a leave of absence from the current leg of the Bon Jovi world tour back in early April, Jon Bon Jovi cited “personal reasons” as the cause of Sambora’s departure."

Am I missing something? Unless we're proven otherwise, we know that it was Richie not showing up at the Calgary show, without any warnings even. He wasn't "asked to pack his bags". VH1 could be handling this whole matter worse than the gutter press by stating something like that.

(Link to the article: http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2013-...-jon-bon-jovi/ )

Agreed. VH-1 is assuming a lot, right from the first sentence.

I'm hideous - 8ft tall, clinically obese, mono-brow and a voice like a sex pest on a prank call ... but I'm game if you are!

:multi:

Surprised a fan hasn't called them out on it! VH1 is almost tabloid anyway, with all their odd little "reality" programs.

But you do can read, or don't you? Otherwise you would've noticed the capital "IF"s he's put in front of everything. Made it perfectly clear to me how it was meant...

Oh, you mean they've turned into MTV? I didn't know that. Nothing to see here, then. It's sad that this kind of networks will always be considered somewhat more reliable no matter what, though.

Trololol. :D

You ain't fooling anyone pal. You came out, all "if this happened, if that happened blah blah" Then decided to add your disclaimer. Then had a wee dig at Jon. Then added your disclaimer. If you genuinely are slap bang in the middle, totally objective, then unfortunately your writing style has betrayed that and made you look like another blind 'Richie lover'.

I might have considered that BEFORE signing my contract, and BEFORE starting the job...

[QUOTE=BJ?YesPlease;1134538]How can you be so naive to blame Richie BY DEFAULT unless there's an official statement? Who is in charge of the official statement, do you think? Can you say 100% that RS doesn't have a contract clause to stop him talking? [/QOUTE]

Richie Sambora is not performing on the tour Richie Sambora is supposed to be performing on. As it stands the only sure fire 100% official information we have (i.e. straight from the horse's mouth) is from Jon Bon Jovi's interviews and Richie Sambora's tweets. Taking that little sure fire 100% information, we can quite reasonably reach the conclusion that he has not been fired, and has left of his own accord. Unless Jon Bon Jovi has blatantly lied to our faces. Which we have no reason to believe he has. Therefore, a reasonable conclusion is that Richie Sambora is not performing on the tour Richie Sambora is supposed to be performing on, due to a decision made by Richie Sambora. No matter his reasons, Richie Sambora's decision is the reason that he is not there, so at this present moment if people wish to blame Richie Sambora, they are fairly justified in doing so. Are you keeping up?

'We', of which 'I' am a part of, as people who have bought his records and paid for tour tickets and handed over cash for T-shirts etc etc, have helped put Richie, and Jon, Dave, and Tico in very fortunate positions in life. No talent in the world would have gotten them there without the support and financial backing of fans. Does that entitle 'me' or 'us' to "dictate" theire lives to them? No. They're human beings with their own free will. Does it though mean that they should treat 'me' and 'us' with a little respect as a thank you for being human beings who believed in them enough and allowed them to reach that position. Yes. I'm under no illusions that 'I' personally will get exactly what 'I' want, but as a collective we deserve better.

No, you're just going to try slamming folk who don't agree with your 'Jon's a prick' feelings then hide behind the old 'we don't know' line. Go on, you don't have to hide it here. Let it all out...

*definitely*

Don't confuse this with people demanding to know all the intimate details, but "personal reasons" cuts no ice when people have spent hundreds, even thousands of pounds on a product they are not fully receiving. "Personal reasons" would be acceptable outwith a tour where he has no obligations to anyone; mid-tour where he does have obligations, there should have been a better explanation.

Gee, I didn't think of that...


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I'll stick with my tickets thanks, seeing as the non-refundable travel and accommodation costs would then go to waste.

^That's the situation a lot of folk found themselves in. We made the decision to go to the shows regardless, make the most of things, and show our support for the rest of the band. We made that decision without to much worrying and are quite happy to see how it goes, but it pisses me off that the alternative would have been to lose money, particularly when I don't really know why we were in that position.

There you go again. What's Jon's character got to do with it? Those are baseless rumours remember, so why bring it up? Again?

Aren't the crazy theories just 'speculative blame'?

You've gotten right up my nose, and it pisses me off that right at the end I actually agree with you on the 'pretending it never happened' bit.

Sounds like you urgently need an avatar. :D Go ahead! :cool:

Oh I think we may be missing much more that we even can imagine in this case. you know as time goes by and reading all those articles related to Richie's absence and his tweets I really believe that there are too many vague things here. polls or not it doesn't really matter, media do their job most of the times in a very inappropriate way. I'm just too patient to see what's next in this BJ mess.
I don't think that we'll ever learn the truth.. but as much as I'm hurt and sad by all this situation I still believe all will be good in the end in any way for both sides either alone or together! yeah ok, "maybe I'm a dreamer but I still believe.." but it's just love you know, I truly love this band, been a fan since 25 years.. BJ are the soundtrack of my life.. and this is not a good period for me, saddens me a lot! never really payed attention to those articles, deep inside me I didn't believe them.

that's my opinion. sorry for my English and if I couldn't express myself in the right way. I'm full of emotions now and I just tried to show you how I feel.
it's just that love hurts. I honestly keep the faith here, can't do and don't wanna do otherwise.

I do can read. The capitals are to emphasise the word. However, if (or IF?) you take into account the repetition, tone, sentence structure, and WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING SAID, you can come to an altogether different conclusion.

Heard on Absolute Radio today, and I quote from Russ Williams, "Richie should be back for the UK gigs". This was in the same link as promoting the IOW Festival

Some people keep saying "we don't know anything for sure" and that's not true. We know for sure that Richie was supposed to be on the Because We Can Tour and that he hasn't been on said tour since Calgary, and that by all accounts he left on his own accord. We knoe that he's been. On his Twitter claiming he's "doing ****ing great" and that everything is good in his life. Therefore, I don't think it's out of line to out this at Richie's feet right now. And honestly, like I've said all along, if he had issues with Jon creatively/financially/personally they didn't come up just now, and he never should have started the tour. Once he did, leaving for those reasons mid-tour became indefensible in my mind.

Honestly, I think he's going to be back for the major gigs and outside of "Welcome back our brother Richie" bullshit and some vague "Personal issues" mentions in interviews, nothing will be said.

Haha, your nose is indeed an unpleasant place to be - as is anyone's!

I can't quite fathom the strength to re-iterate once again that I'm not taking sides and never said "Jon's a prick". I did use a lot of capital IFs, and did that for both RS and JBJ so am quite astonished at how you think I'm taking sides.

I shall just sigh, give a "meh", and trundle off to marry a complete stranger who is bound to be far hotter than I am. Epic win.