Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1295655)

The point is, that it all depends on how far they were in the process and how many songs carried over once they restarted... If Jon wrote 3 songs, didn't like them, and decided to start over, then sure, it's just that. Or if 10 of the 12 songs carried over from album to album, then sure, it's a continuation of the same album. If things were consistent and if they were all agreeing to take their time for whatever reasons, then again, it's just that.

However, in both situations, for slightly different reasons, they scrapped what they had and "STARTED OVER".

They had an album title, a title track to coincide, enough songs written to fulfill a double album, tracks demoed, some recorded, they even went into the studio for OAN, and if Jon was happy with the results, then those albums would have been released which would have been very different than Crush and These Days... But they stopped, regrouped, changed the sound, changed the guitars, switched studios, switched producers, wrote NEW songs, and changed album titles.

If I'm not mistaken, only 4 songs made it to These Days from Open All Night which were Diamond Ring, Hearts Breaking Even, STBI, and Hey God... Everything else came after...

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1295655)

The point is, that it all depends on how far they were in the process and how many songs carried over once they restarted... If Jon wrote 3 songs, didn't like them, and decided to start over, then sure, it's just that. Or if 10 of the 12 songs carried over from album to album, then sure, it's a continuation of the same album. If things were consistent and if they were all agreeing to take their time for whatever reasons, then again, it's just that.

However, in both situations, for slightly different reasons, they scrapped what they had and "STARTED OVER".

They had an album title, a title track to coincide, enough songs written to fulfill a double album, tracks demoed, some recorded, they even went into the studio for OAN, and if Jon was happy with the results, then those albums would have been released which would have been very different than Crush and These Days... But they stopped, regrouped, changed the sound, changed the guitars, switched studios, switched producers, wrote NEW songs, and changed album titles.

If I'm not mistaken, only 4 songs made it to These Days from Open All Night which were Diamond Ring, Hearts Breaking Even, STBI, and Hey God... Everything else came after...

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1295657)

I completely agree, the '94 album WAS scrapped and started over with a few things transitioning. But you can't compare that to this. That had a producer and a full band. 1998 had neither of those things. Apart from Real Life, some songs in the early J+R demo stages...for all we know Jon could have been talking about the batch of songs he wrote on his own he figured the band would help flesh out. With Dave's injury especially, I cant say for sure if Sex Sells was full band fleshed out until '99 when he returned but I'd wager it wasn't until AFTER Bruce died since he never entered the picture at all (is that right? That's the vibe I got)

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1295658)

I'm glad we agree on '94 so that shuts Thinnys analogy out.

I'll respond back later on '99