I'm not taking the risk on purchasing anything until I get confirmation that Richie had returned. It's a good job tickets are so easy to get on the European leg or else I'd be panicking.
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What I'm worried about is the quality of the setlists we'll be seeing. Now, the quality of the setlists hasn't exactly pleased most of us anyway, but now that Richie is "gone" for at least this leg of the tour, I don't see them pulling out any kind of rarities. Which sucks.
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I've been in the Gold Circle, I've been on the field, I've been in the lower and upper tiers, no matter where you are, you're surrounded with clueless American fans. I've seen 11 concerts in North America by now, I think I've got quite a good idea over the differences crowd-wise and how people perceive Bon Jovi there. I was in the Gold Circle with an American die hard and she overheard a conversation in the washrooms going "Wow Kid Rock was amazing, how is Bon Jovi going to top that. With A Richie Sambora song? Ha ha ha..." Believe me, she thought it was ridiculous as well, but really, what can you do? It's just the way it is. Now tell me, how many shows in Europe have you seen? As a matter of fact, how many shows outside of the Boston area have you seen? Clearly if you think you're wrong you must have something to back up your opinion? Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
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Among people that I speak to, even non Jovi fans, I don't know too many people who don't know who Richie Sambora is. |
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Maybe the reason Europe ...unlike America...sees Bon Jovi as a band, has to do with the fact that the band already built quite an impressive following in Europe (and Japan!), long before Slippery When Wet came out. Americans didn't really jump on the Bon Jovi bandwagon until then. Then Americans lost interest in the band again in the 90s while in Europe the fanbase grew even more. Europe never turned it's back on Bon Jovi...so there is a stronger bond.
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They never lost their hardcore fans in America. Keep the Faith and These Days went 2x Platinum and Platinum respectively. They only lost the casual fans, who moved to the next cool trend of the time. |
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While in Europe they increased their popularity if anything and started selling out bigger venues. I really think there is a different demographic that makes the majority of the Bon Jovi fan base in the US. Supersonic has tasted both on multiple occasions so he is at least in a good place to judge properly. I get the feeling Bon Jovi puts in more effort away from the US too, why is that? |
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North Korea has a far better audience than America and Europe combined, says North Korea.
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How can the casual American fan know who Richie is when he doesn't even show up anyway?:rolleyes:
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By 1992, there were new bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam. And the new kids weren't going to pick a band of the past, no matter how good Bon Jovi were. That's the reason they never had the massive sales of the 80s in America. |
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I am British living in Argentina. While the culture does offer some of the above (rude, disruptive etc) the disgusting animals is a little harsh, considering my perfectly normal fiancee is apparantly one of those animals. I have had plenty of experiences where Americans have lived up to their sterotypes, as I am sure you have with the English or Europeans, but calling them disgusting animals is bullshit.
I agree that most in America know Sambora, as much for his celebrity than for the band however. They know who he is, but I really think more casuals there would not give a shit if he was at a show or not. In Europe, sure plenty wouldn't care either, but I bet more would than in the US. |
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I know what places Bon Jovi played in the eighties, anyone saying Bon Jovi were bigger in Europe in the (late) eighties is fooling himself. Before Slippery, Bon Jovi did gather a small cult following in Europe and Japan though, which was bigger than their popularity in America, despite the albums not charting over here. They headlined their own shows in theaters the size of the Beacon Theater in New York, something yet unheard of in America. Once Slippery came out all changed, and for a good 3 years Bon Jovi were the biggest act out there. After this though, Bon Jovi was, unlike you're claiming, not selling out the smaller arena's in the nineties. Many of them were amphitheaters. Sure, the seats were all sold, but the 13.000+ tickets available for the field weren't rarely gone. Jon has even gone as far as calling one of their nineties tours the red-seat tour, simply because whenever they weren't playing an amphitheater and 15.000+ seats had to be sold they just were no longer able to. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
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Also, if we were making judgements on entire nationalities... My experience leads me to believe that it's the attitude to going out, to experiencing entertainment as a whole that is judged completely differently in the US, it's just not as a big a deal for many. I have travelled all over Europe and the US seeing bands, watching sports and it never ceases to amaze me how Americans talk during EVERYTHING. I sat behind two guys watching The Who in the US once and they chatted like they were at a bar... it was just another place to congregate on a Friday night for these guys. It's just not an 'event' in the US, like it is in Europe, in my experience. In the days before you paid for a place in the pit, most of the people I know in the US still strolled in at the last possible minute before a gig. Most of the people I know in Europe used to take the day off work and queue from the crack of dawn to be at the front. |
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July 1993 August 3, 1995 September 1995 I have a pretty good memory. Can't remember the exact dates on 2 of those shows, but I saw the band at an arena and 2 sheds. Don't know the exact numbers, but they were as crowded as I've ever seen them for any other show. One of the sheds, used to be called Great Woods, has a capacity of over 20,000 and I remember that one being sold out (at least the day of). Again, not saying they're popularity didn't wane in the 90's, but I've never claimed pride given that America gave birth to bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden. |
This thread gets more hilarious by the day.
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BTW - I should say, as Seb pointed out, I have no idea how they act in their own country, and should not stereotype, but this type of behavior is the norm in Florida. |
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This is an example of the type of crap you see that pisses people off. And for the record, Disney reports that in the handguide given to the leaders of the groups, this crap isn't supposed to happen.
Is it a big deal? Maybe not seeing a short video of it. But we deal with that for 2 straight goddamn weeks in what is supposed to be a place of complete immersion from the outside world. Never in a million years would I dream of going to another country and subjecting my hosts with rude behavior. Show some goddamn respect. |
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