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crashed 06-08-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1137172)
Then why are you posting in this thread? :rolleyes:

probably the same reason people who apparently no longer have any interest or enthusiasm for this band also spend hours of their precious, short lives on here?

SuperBrad 06-08-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1137177)
probably the same reason people who apparently no longer have any interest or enthusiasm for this band also spend hours of their precious, short lives on here?

Soooo true !

jessycardy 06-08-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1137177)
probably the same reason people who apparently no longer have any interest or enthusiasm for this band also spend hours of their precious, short lives on here?

I have to say I did see a lot of people go "I don't care" a million times during the course of this endless thread... I don't know if some actually stopped posting as they stopped caring, but I'm pretty sure a lot of them are still hanging around here. :wink:

MrNickel 06-09-2013 12:46 AM

If I entered this thread solely to see posts about the Richie situation and to get actual updates I would never be in here.

jessycardy 06-09-2013 01:07 AM

This is so stupid. LOL

Now the guy behind this RumorFix website everybody seems to be into lately claims July 5th is the day they'll know more. You don't say? LOL Basically, they're as clueless as we are and are just waiting to see if the rumor The Sun/MailOnline started about Richie coming back for Hyde Park is true. You can all rest peacefully now, unless some other crappy gossip site comes up with some spicey new bullshit to entertain us with in the meantime.

https://twitter.com/RichardAyoub/sta...89068497264641

IML88 06-09-2013 01:47 AM

This whole situation is pathetic. Either he plays or he doesn't. Its beyond ridiculous that the die hard fans of this band have to wait with bated breath for every little tweet the lead guitarist's daughter sends.

Fact is there are a shed load of fans holding out buying tickets to dates that was Richie confirmed to played they'd have snapped up by now. Either Richie, Jon, the band or AEG need to get this sorted. Either he's gone for the remainder of the 2013 tour or he's back starting from Hyde Park.

I don't care anymore but a statement needs to be put out and a decision made. 614 pages worth of utter trash is outrageous for a band like this.

Vent over.

Jonty 06-09-2013 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by IML88 (Post 1137219)
This whole situation is pathetic. Either he plays or he doesn't. Its beyond ridiculous that the die hard fans of this band have to wait with bated breath for every little tweet the lead guitarist's daughter sends.

Fact is there are a shed load of fans holding out buying tickets to dates that was Richie confirmed to played they'd have snapped up by now. Either Richie, Jon, the band or AEG need to get this sorted. Either he's gone for the remainder of the 2013 tour or he's back starting from Hyde Park.

I don't care anymore but a statement needs to be put out and a decision made. 614 pages worth of utter trash is outrageous for a band like this.

Vent over.

And leads to fans wondering why Hyde Park is so special. Why not Slane? Then the IOW where thèy haven't played before or are likely to again, big festival gigs just the wrong time!

Jay Jay 06-09-2013 08:17 AM

Maybe the Hyde Park gig is being recorded for Dvd release!

PatriciaSambora 06-09-2013 08:48 AM

If Richie comes back to Hyde Park will be so disrespectful to the other Eurooean fans.. At least for me...

Stranger11 06-09-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by IML88 (Post 1137219)
This whole situation is pathetic. Either he plays or he doesn't. Its beyond ridiculous that the die hard fans of this band have to wait with bated breath for every little tweet the lead guitarist's daughter sends.

Fact is there are a shed load of fans holding out buying tickets to dates that was Richie confirmed to played they'd have snapped up by now. Either Richie, Jon, the band or AEG need to get this sorted. Either he's gone for the remainder of the 2013 tour or he's back starting from Hyde Park.

I don't care anymore but a statement needs to be put out and a decision made. 614 pages worth of utter trash is outrageous for a band like this.

Vent over.

There has been an official anouncement that Richie won´t play at the european leg. Anything else is just speculation and wishful thinking.

Panda 06-09-2013 09:29 AM

It's funny how people still think Richie is returning for just the Hyde Park show.

gkkes 06-09-2013 10:39 AM

I had the notion, possibly from an earlier post that SKY were covering Hyde Park for broadcast (possibly live). Can anyone confirm this?

Solid Sambora 06-09-2013 02:26 PM

The Hyde Park thing- if it was genuinely a quote by him- is probably because he was asked specifically about Hyde Park. Remember, to a lot of the English based media London is the centre of the universe and it wouldn't surprise me if the reporter asked specifically if he'd be back for London rather than the UK. Richie has likely given a stock rock star response- "yeah, I'd love to be at <insert place name here>, it's a special place..."

jessycardy 06-09-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stranger11 (Post 1137256)
There has been an official anouncement that Richie won´t play at the european leg. Anything else is just speculation and wishful thinking.

True story, and I honestly don't think Richie could possibly be back for just the Hyde Park show, it's always sounded like a load of bullshit to me. I think the quote itself was totally made up, and that's also one of the reasons why I wouldn't take his interview from just a few days before so much for granted, it could very well be a fake one.

BUT the thing here is the people working in the whole Bon Jovi organization are totally fueling the speculation and wishful thinking. They'll tell you not to, but will in fact feed the phenomenon themselves. Think of Matt. People are begging him to give them any kind of clue, especially regarding the European leg, and it's not like he's replying to just go by the official announcement and live with it. He's come up with stuff like "I wish I knew when he's coming back, but I don't" at least a couple times, and a month ago or something he even went to the extent of saying that he thought Richie would be back sometime during the summer.

One could appreciate his honesty, if there is REALLY a chance of Richie coming back for the rest of the European leg and he indeed doesn't know. But you can't help but wonder. The whole "he can come back whenever he wants" stuff is starting to sound like bullshit to me. I mean, obviously I don't know the reasons why Richie is missing, but even if it wasn't a falling out, can you really imagine Richie just coming up and going: "hey, I'm back... 'd you miss me?" and showing up at the first available show mid-leg or later on.
But this is something even Jon and David said, so I don't know, maybe there's something major to this picture that we are actually missing and therefore we see the whole thing distorted. But for what we know, it almost seems like we're being fooled or something.

nrm123 06-09-2013 03:00 PM

Id prefer it if Richie doesnt come back to Europe now even if he turned up tonight and was there for my show. Id be more disrespectful to show up to please the cameras and not thousands of fans that have been to the shows without hin

JackieBlue 06-09-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1137304)
The Hyde Park thing- if it was genuinely a quote by him- is probably because he was asked specifically about Hyde Park. Remember, to a lot of the English based media London is the centre of the universe and it wouldn't surprise me if the reporter asked specifically if he'd be back for London rather than the UK. Richie has likely given a stock rock star response- "yeah, I'd love to be at <insert place name here>, it's a special place..."

That's exactly what I thought when I first read it. How many times have they been asked that same question in other interviews and nobody thought a thing about it?

JackieBlue 06-09-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1137307)
The whole "he can come back whenever he wants" stuff is starting to sound like bullshit to me. I mean, obviously I don't know the reasons why Richie is missing, but even if it wasn't a falling out, can you really imagine Richie just coming up and going: "hey, I'm back... 'd you miss me?" and showing up at the first available show mid-leg or later on... maybe there's something major to this picture that we are actually missing and therefore we see the whole thing distorted. But for what we know, it almost seems like we're being fooled or something.

THIS. Exactly. And I would add that whenever we ARE able to see what we're missing, we may also see that nobody in the organization (including Jon and Richie) were playing with us or being disrespectful. They may just be making the best of a bad (or uncontrollable?) situation until it's resolved.

And this is exactly why it makes me sad to see fans on both "sides" giving up on people they've admired and/or blaming others when we don't have the whole story.


THANK YOU, Jessycardy. You said it SO much better than I've been able to!!

samboraisgodUK 06-09-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nrm123 (Post 1137317)
Id prefer it if Richie doesnt come back to Europe now even if he turned up tonight and was there for my show. Id be more disrespectful to show up to please the cameras and not thousands of fans that have been to the shows without hin

Oh come off it, no-one's that altruistic.

Mysterytrain 06-09-2013 04:29 PM

Here's an article in Polish that I used Google Translate on to translate into English. Someone posted it on another forum I am on:

"Meanwhile, the team coming out of the camp unofficial information that leave hope that in Gdansk see Bon Jovi but the gold stock. Formation techniques and a close friend he had betrayed Sambora fans of the band, the guitarist "has already solved their problems" and may return to the stage at any time. According to his words, it would already be at the shows in Germany, after which the group has zawitać just to Polish.

Hounded by a leader, diplomatically replied that Sambora is still part of the team is always welcome in its ranks, and only depends on him when he comes back."

baileybums 06-09-2013 04:48 PM

As far as I'm concerned Richie can **** off now . . . I'm gutted he left and he was a huge part of this band . . But it seems he's acting like a little girl . .

Yes I know I don't know the story and what went on but Jon, Tico and Dave are still doing it night after night . .

He says he's great and concentrating on his gay little fashion shit . . Well get your ass on tour and give the fans what they paid for . . . .

After seeing videos from Manchester it seems the band are having a blast and phil is loving it . . Good on him and I'd love to see him finish the tour I think he deserves it . . .

I'm going next week and I can't wait . . Will it be the same without richie.... No it won't ... Will I enjoy it as much .... He'll yeah I will . . He don't wanna answer any questions . . Screw him I'm done with him the rest are true professionals ....

Kuba80BJ 06-09-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1137333)
Here's an article in Polish that I used Google Translate on to translate into English. Someone posted it on another forum I am on:

"Meanwhile, the team coming out of the camp unofficial information that leave hope that in Gdansk see Bon Jovi but the gold stock. Formation techniques and a close friend he had betrayed Sambora fans of the band, the guitarist "has already solved their problems" and may return to the stage at any time. According to his words, it would already be at the shows in Germany, after which the group has zawitać just to Polish.

Hounded by a leader, diplomatically replied that Sambora is still part of the team is always welcome in its ranks, and only depends on him when he comes back."

Can you give a link or paste the text in Polish?

jovifan93 06-09-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1137307)
True story, and I honestly don't think Richie could possibly be back for just the Hyde Park show, it's always sounded like a load of bullshit to me. I think the quote itself was totally made up, and that's also one of the reasons why I wouldn't take his interview from just a few days before so much for granted, it could very well be a fake one.

BUT the thing here is the people working in the whole Bon Jovi organization are totally fueling the speculation and wishful thinking. They'll tell you not to, but will in fact feed the phenomenon themselves. Think of Matt. People are begging him to give them any kind of clue, especially regarding the European leg, and it's not like he's replying to just go by the official announcement and live with it. He's come up with stuff like "I wish I knew when he's coming back, but I don't" at least a couple times, and a month ago or something he even went to the extent of saying that he thought Richie would be back sometime during the summer.

One could appreciate his honesty, if there is REALLY a chance of Richie coming back for the rest of the European leg and he indeed doesn't know. But you can't help but wonder. The whole "he can come back whenever he wants" stuff is starting to sound like bullshit to me. I mean, obviously I don't know the reasons why Richie is missing, but even if it wasn't a falling out, can you really imagine Richie just coming up and going: "hey, I'm back... 'd you miss me?" and showing up at the first available show mid-leg or later on.
But this is something even Jon and David said, so I don't know, maybe there's something major to this picture that we are actually missing and therefore we see the whole thing distorted. But for what we know, it almost seems like we're being fooled or something.

Great post! That's mostly what I'm thinking, because I know that neither Jon nor Richie are that dumb... The only thing that's bothering me though is Jon's comment about hating my brother and quitting the band - that's almost the only thing that doesn't seem to fit in the bigger picture...

And to all you people saying you're done with the band or Richie can just f*ck off because of this: go f*ck yourself, you definitely don't deserve tp be a fan if you draw conclusions without knowning what's really going on... IF it all turns out to be a childish fight over egos or something like that, I could perfectly understand you. But if it turns out to indeed be a genuine personal matter, which keeps Richie in LA, but not away from Ava or his fashion thing or whatever, then you're being unfair...

Mysterytrain 06-09-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuba80BJ (Post 1137344)
Can you give a link or paste the text in Polish?

Here's the link:

http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/galeria...a-duze-zdjecie

nrm123 06-09-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by samboraisgodUK (Post 1137330)
Oh come off it, no-one's that altruistic.

So you'll be perfectly happy him turning up in the same leg of tour the show after all yours

jessycardy 06-09-2013 07:24 PM

I haven't mentioned this before because I think it's useless stuff, but hey, all sorts of crap have been posted here, so why not this? A couple days ago I saw a couple of tweets in Portoguese (I think) with a statement put in quotation marks that went something like: "Richie Sambora should be back on June 15th" (which corresponds to the Slane show). I think it's useless because, of course, it didn't come with a source and, unfortunately, I couldn't find one when I tried to do some research on Google. Just take it for what it is.


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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1137345)
Great post! That's mostly what I'm thinking, because I know that neither Jon nor Richie are that dumb... The only thing that's bothering me though is Jon's comment about hating my brother and quitting the band - that's almost the only thing that doesn't seem to fit in the bigger picture...

And to all you people saying you're done with the band or Richie can just f*ck off because of this: go f*ck yourself, you definitely don't deserve tp be a fan if you draw conclusions without knowning what's really going on... IF it all turns out to be a childish fight over egos or something like that, I could perfectly understand you. But if it turns out to indeed be a genuine personal matter, which keeps Richie in LA, but not away from Ava or his fashion thing or whatever, then you're being unfair...

Yeah, I must say I'm a little shocked at how quickly people seem to be forgetting Richie and putting him in the past... Really?!? It's all so surreal to me. To each their own, I guess, but as a fellow fan, I honestly don't get it at all. Especially since we don't know anything, but yeah, I'm sure you got the picture without me sounding like a broken record.


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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1137328)
THIS. Exactly. And I would add that whenever we ARE able to see what we're missing, we may also see that nobody in the organization (including Jon and Richie) were playing with us or being disrespectful. They may just be making the best of a bad (or uncontrollable?) situation until it's resolved.

And this is exactly why it makes me sad to see fans on both "sides" giving up on people they've admired and/or blaming others when we don't have the whole story.


THANK YOU, Jessycardy. You said it SO much better than I've been able to!!

Yes, absolutely. I usually don't assume anything about others, especially the bad. So, I hope and I'm also confident that they're not playing with us. "They" as in the people working for them. Bon Jovi themselves weren't included in the mix, it's a different matter for me.

I'm glad we're finding common ground... ;)

Kuba80BJ 06-09-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1137347)

Thank you for the link. Well, it’s nothing new unfortunately. It was posted on local news website on 27th May and updated on 30th. It says more or less this:

“In the meantime some unofficial news are coming from BJ camp, that give us hope that we will see the band in its full golden squad in Gdansk. Band’s engineer and close friend of Sambora was supposed to reveal to the fans, that guitarist “has solved his problems already” and that he might be back on stage any moment. According to his words that could happen already during the shows in Germany, after which the band is about to arrive to Poland.

The leader diplomatically replied that Sambora is still a part of the band and is always welcomed back and it only depends up to him when he comes back.”

I can only add that some Polish media followed Polish BJ message board lately, looking for Sambora news. They must have read there about Obie’s statement and I bet that is what it’s all about. Sadly, we know nothing more officially so it’s just another rumour and nothing else.

Mysterytrain 06-09-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuba80BJ (Post 1137354)
Thank you for the link. Well, it’s nothing new unfortunately. It was posted on local news website on 27th May and updated on 30th. It says more or less this:

“In the meantime some unofficial news are coming from BJ camp, that give us hope that we will see the band in its full golden squad in Gdansk. Band’s engineer and close friend of Sambora was supposed to reveal to the fans, that guitarist “has solved his problems already” and that he might be back on stage any moment. According to his words that could happen already during the shows in Germany, after which the band is about to arrive to Poland.

The leader diplomatically replied that Sambora is still a part of the band and is always welcomed back and it only depends up to him when he comes back.”

I can only add that some Polish media followed Polish BJ message board lately, looking for Sambora news. They must have read there about Obie’s statement and I bet that is what it’s all about. Sadly, we know nothing more officially so it’s just another rumour and nothing else.

Thanks for the translation. It's rather sad that news sources might be looking to sites like this for information; just shows how close-to-the-vest the Bon Jovi camp is holding this, despite the sniping between Jon and Richie earlier.

As for the question of whether I'd want Richie to show up at a concert after mine (and I'm not attending any, but I'm doing a hypothetical situation here)--I don't think I'd mind. Actually, I'd be happy to watch his return on YouTube. It's not the same, I'm sure, as seeing the band in real life, but I just want things 'right' again. I believe Richie is a big part of the soul and magic of the band's overall sound. Even if they're still good without him, I think Richie just 'fits' this band perfectly and things won't be right with my world as a fan until he's back again, even if we never find out the truth about why he was away.

crashed 06-09-2013 08:55 PM

I am over Richie not being there - because we've not been given a choice so that's a reality we've had to deal with - but also not once as he actually said "sorry I'm not there guys, just had some shit to deal with."

A statement as simple as that and I'd have been happy to wait, forever if need be, for Richie to return. Instead we get "I'm ****ing great."

Bon Jovi are still a great band I'm sure without him, but with him, their the best in the world.

Becky 06-09-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1137366)
Bon Jovi are still a great band I'm sure without him, but with him, their the best in the world.

They're still the best I've ever seen even without him.

Chris_Newton 06-09-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1137374)
They're still the best I've ever seen even without him.

Agree totally

liljovi93 06-09-2013 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1137374)
They're still the best I've ever seen even without him.

I would of laughed a week or so ago if I seen this. After last night, I agree.

efiste2 06-10-2013 12:05 AM

got to disagree yes ETHIAD was awsome but RICHIE would have added even more, like his trade mark fill ins or WANTED, as much as I think he has let us ALL down I would welcome him home anytime.

crashed 06-10-2013 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1137374)
They're still the best I've ever seen even without him.

Never had to see them without him...but looks like I'm going to!

jessycardy 06-10-2013 01:32 AM

For everybody who was praying for Ava's vacation to be a last minute thing to accommodate Richie's touring schedule or whatever, let it go. She's got this thing planned since February. Sorry to be "that" person.

The Rock 06-10-2013 03:12 AM

Richie is not staying at home moping for this tour.

Hudson Taylor ‏@HudTayMusic 5h
@TheRealSambora Great fun hanging at Casa Roman with you. Thank you SOO much for the guitars and words of Wisdom! Next time let's jam! :D

Kiwi78 06-10-2013 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1137489)
Richie is not staying at home moping for this tour.

Hudson Taylor ‏@HudTayMusic 5h
@TheRealSambora Great fun hanging at Casa Roman with you. Thank you SOO much for the guitars and words of Wisdom! Next time let's jam! :D

Seeing they were from the UK made me double take but then I read their tweets lol they've been in LA.

So bizarre. What the f is he doing lol

jessycardy 06-10-2013 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi78 (Post 1137490)
Seeing they were from the UK made me double take but then I read their tweets lol they've been in LA.

So bizarre. What the f is he doing lol

Yes, and out of the States a few days afterwards. They could be anywhere. I think they are in outer space and Richie with them.

Kiwi78 06-10-2013 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1137492)
Yes, and out of the States a few days afterwards. They could be anywhere. I think they are in outer space and Richie with them.

LMAO at this point I think anything is possible!

Sissy3 06-10-2013 03:37 AM

Wonder if his words of wisdom had anything to do with being loyal to the people you've played with for decades and the fans who supported you? :rolleyes: Nah, probably not.

Gabriel Shoes 06-10-2013 03:43 AM

If Jon and Richie are OK with their situation I bet Jon would say "Richie and I are fine and he's coming back soon" on the first chance he'd have just to settle down this case.

I don't see Richie returning for this tour.


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